Amenesse Campaign is Super fun

[Slysal4]

Just finished a campaign as Amenmesse and I had control of most of the nile from upper egypt, kush, and nubia. I was also in defensive alliances with a number of neighbers like Miam and the Western Desert factions. By turn 105 I was fighting dozens of sea people units with full stack gold and silver tier units.
Not only that, but the libyans came in about half a dozen full stacks and I am so glad I had the resources to pull it off. I was getting around -16k food a turn with about 100K food stored up. Turns were taking half an hour to an hour because I was fighting 3 times a turn. Lower Egpyt was being razed. I would attack an army and 2 full stacks would come in out of the fog of war on the map on turn end and were able to take 1 full gold stack army. I had to rebuild but sickness plagued my cities to recruiting one unit per turn, and the nile flooded a ton of my cities to have to repair. Absolute chaos after the empire I carved out. I was fighting from lower Egypt and all the way up to my western border near my capital, I was probly fielding 6-8 armies. I had just become pharaoh and boom sea people cut scene. For about 8 hours straight, I was in defensive mode but also exploiting the situations to vassalize Rammesses and Tausret and all the remaining western desert factions. I had most of Egypt fighting back but for some reason the AI alliance armies just smash into sea people armies and get deleted, or run away from their capital when they are coming to take cities. I had built up 2 provinces to churn out units with rank 6 chevrons that were native units or my special units. I found myself fighting defensive battles where the Sea people were siege-ing, sometimes I won, sometimes they won. It was back and forth. By turn 130 there are no more sea people coming in but still about 8 stacks roaming around with lower egypt completely razed. It was an awesome experience and after the sea people were completely gone, I feel like its time to rebuild, but that is for another day. This was such a different experience from "start small and build a empire" and is similar to the Western Rome experience in Attila. You wont get to carve out every area you want before they come so choose wisely what land you take first, and then protect egypt as you are losing 16K food a turn! Try a Amenmesse campaign yourself and see how it goes for you! :)

[Kendji]

You sound like me after my first Amenmesse Campaign haha :D. Glad you like him. I find Going Walwetes and going for the Egytpian Pharaoh title and playing as Kurunta is equally fun. I can recommend those if you like to test more factions. If you then want more challange you can also go with Kurunta, but take the Egyptian Throne instead or maybe Ramses for Hatti. :)
While Walwetes & his generals can eventually get passive army upkeep to so low that it is practically 0.

Bay is another fun one, especially if you like ambushing stacks.

Btw, did you pick Aten, Khufu or Hapsetsut Legacy in your Amenmesse playthrough?

[Iskar]

Yay for Amenmesse! Hurray for Kush!

[ik vind geschiedenis leuk]

amenmesse is great, also because as amenmesse you can choose whether to fight sea peoples

[Herr Robert]

Sounds like a fun campaign! What difficulty did you play on if you don't mind me asking? Any custom settings?

[oddball]

Try Bey if you want a real challenge. No strategic depth, very hard to become pharaoh/king because no sacred lands (meaning bad access to t6 troops), only 1 t5 troop and it isn't good and worst of all he's missing the two critical military support buildings: recruit cost reduction and additional recruiting slots. He also doesn't get the Militia title that gives +2 ranks on recruits. So he maxes out new recruits at like level 2 instead of the level 8 most factions can get, he can't modifier stack to recruit troopers for basically free and he can only recruit max 4 units per turn in a recruiting city rather than 6 after maxing out workforce.

His one edge is he can boost the level of plots to gain favor with other people and then steal their plot to get its effect. Lets you play as if you're occupying all the slots without being pharaoh because you can constantly request from people. Also lets you stack a shocking amount of legitimacy through discrediting.

Oh and he can only recruit native troop chariots. Honestly if canaanites and habiru weren't such good native troop lines he'd be totally hosed.

Very tough campaign, especially if you boost sea people, lower replenishment, make the disasters worse and lower replenishment on legendary. Tough but doable!

[Defmonkey]

Originally posted by oddball:

Try Bey if you want a real challenge. No strategic depth, very hard to become pharaoh/king because no sacred lands (meaning bad access to t6 troops), only 1 t5 troop and it isn't good and worst of all he's missing the two critical military support buildings: recruit cost reduction and additional recruiting slots. He also doesn't get the Militia title that gives +2 ranks on recruits. So he maxes out new recruits at like level 2 instead of the level 8 most factions can get, he can't modifier stack to recruit troopers for basically free and he can only recruit max 4 units per turn in a recruiting city rather than 6 after maxing out workforce.

His one edge is he can boost the level of plots to gain favor with other people and then steal their plot to get its effect. Lets you play as if you're occupying all the slots without being pharaoh because you can constantly request from people. Also lets you stack a shocking amount of legitimacy through discrediting.

Oh and he can only recruit native troop chariots. Honestly if canaanites and habiru weren't such good native troop lines he'd be totally hosed.

Very tough campaign, especially if you boost sea people, lower replenishment, make the disasters worse and lower replenishment on legendary. Tough but doable!

Interesting to read this, as always interesting to hear how people fare.

I find Bay one of the easiest campaigns and actually took up a challenge from a fellow player to prove on legendary for this campaign as i made a number of claims in what you can do with him.

There are a few tricks and playstyles you need to be aware of to get the most out of him but he can absolutely dominate. He has also one of the best abilities in which to speed through the royal decrees / research tree. Should have this about done by turn 100 if you use it correctly. He is good in court and should be banking in both gold and legitimacy.

If you set up the right provinces, buildings, economy and research you can get yourself set up to win an be literally unkillable by turn 40. By turn 100 you can have over 30 armies maxed with Fenkhu natives & Bay elites and can do this with only 4 provinces (Gubla, Ashkelon, Mediggo and Sheshem) as well as have over a million food in the bank.

Might not be to everyone's playstyle though, but i am able to do it.

[Slysal4]

Originally posted by Herr Robert:

Sounds like a fun campaign! What difficulty did you play on if you don't mind me asking? Any custom settings?

Veteran Campaign, Normal battle! Default everything else

[Slysal4]

Originally posted by Kendji:

You sound like me after my first Amenmesse Campaign haha :D. Glad you like him. I find Going Walwetes and going for the Egytpian Pharaoh title and playing as Kurunta is equally fun. I can recommend those if you like to test more factions. If you then want more challange you can also go with Kurunta, but take the Egyptian Throne instead or maybe Ramses for Hatti. :)
While Walwetes & his generals can eventually get passive army upkeep to so low that it is practically 0.

Bay is another fun one, especially if you like ambushing stacks.

Btw, did you pick Aten, Khufu or Hapsetsut Legacy in your Amenmesse playthrough?

I had a campaign as Walwetes but I went the sea people route and started settling, but the sea people tribes started attacking me. I'm not sure why, but im on turn 98 on the save and I didnt feel prepared to take on waves of sea people to defend palestine haha. I might start back up from the top. Do I have to do a marauder legacy so the sea people dont attack me? Should I carve out a space to live and vassalize myself to the Pharoah? Eventually becoming the pharoah?

I did khufu for the first time! the bonus that adds turns to the prayers was OP

[degumuto_berseg]

amenmesse army is super fun playing

[Kendji]

Originally posted by Slysal4:

Originally posted by Kendji:

You sound like me after my first Amenmesse Campaign haha :D. Glad you like him. I find Going Walwetes and going for the Egytpian Pharaoh title and playing as Kurunta is equally fun. I can recommend those if you like to test more factions. If you then want more challange you can also go with Kurunta, but take the Egyptian Throne instead or maybe Ramses for Hatti. :)
While Walwetes & his generals can eventually get passive army upkeep to so low that it is practically 0.

Bay is another fun one, especially if you like ambushing stacks.

Btw, did you pick Aten, Khufu or Hapsetsut Legacy in your Amenmesse playthrough?

I had a campaign as Walwetes but I went the sea people route and started settling, but the sea people tribes started attacking me. I'm not sure why, but im on turn 98 on the save and I didnt feel prepared to take on waves of sea people to defend palestine haha. I might start back up from the top. Do I have to do a marauder legacy so the sea people dont attack me? Should I carve out a space to live and vassalize myself to the Pharoah? Eventually becoming the pharoah?

I did khufu for the first time! the bonus that adds turns to the prayers was OP

Khufu is an interesting legacy tbh.
Some sea peoples will and some wont, some you can diplomatically deal with some not. What I did (in my last campaign) with Walwetes is I went for the Throne of Egypt, allied with the early sea people factions and then had them help me fight the hostile sea peoples. They where an annoyance, but not a big problem.
I started by burning south-west Canaan, razing funds, then took 3 settlements in the Delta and made then choice of the Egyptian path & Legacy. After that it is up to you to gather the legitimacy.

[Ajax]

Amenmesse is definitely on my list for future campaigns. I just lost all my saved games (as well as Pharaoh itself) due to a corrupted harddrive recently, and have only just re-downloaded the game; so I will need to restart the Hittite campaign I was playing before I lost the data.

Because the expanded map update is on the horizon, I may be tempted to play as one of the Mesopotamian factions first, but I am still looking forward to trying out Amenmesse.

[oOIYvYIOo]

I have done the campaign with Amenmess in 2 ocasions, both on Legendary-with default settings. On both ocasions, I won very easily the Ultimate level for campaigns with the objective of wining also the unlocking of some Steam Achievments.

So I cannot agree that it was fun, because it was very easy to win. For a TW campaign to be fun, it has to be a campaign that has always SEVERAL phases of war/conflict/despair and peace+war/development/power. It has to be a campaign that all the details are vital on short and long term. It has to be a campaign that has to take 2 to 6 months to complete and not 6 days. It has to be a campaign not like the ones on TW Rome 2 that through diplomacy you win the campaign very easily without any major conflict or it cannot be as TW Atilla where everyone declares war on you without a reason and send armies from Iberia Peninsula to Cazaquistan. This, being a campaign on Legendary Level. TW Pharaoh have a bit of both TW Rome 2 diplomacy and TW Atilla anarchy. Of course we always need to see the context of the era and not to expect the same behaviour on Ancient Egypt with Europe in 15th century.

[Kendji]

Have you tried some more hardcore stuff than just legendary? I mean, legendary+max sea peoples+max weather, terrain, disable post-battle replenishment etc. + Heclaes AI mod + Xanth's Unit rebalance. Only Legendary is for n00bs imo. x)

[oOIYvYIOo]

Originally posted by Kendji:

Have you tried some more hardcore stuff than just legendary? I mean, legendary+max sea peoples+max weather, terrain, disable post-battle replenishment etc. + Heclaes AI mod + Xanth's Unit rebalance. Only Legendary is for n00bs imo. x)

Hmm. You have been writing toward me in several ocasions puting yourself as having reason and knowledge of this game above me. Your far from it. And you dont even bother to read or cant understand what I write demonstrating that your blind by your ego.

There is nor more hardcore than what I wrote. Default settings does not have nothing to do with the Interaction with the AI on Diplomatic level for example.

You use flags on your units during the battles, I dont. You use range visible limits for your long range units, I dont, you use path arrows, I dont, coloured armies, etc, etc, etc. Dont try to tell me that you know what is "hardcore". Those adds are for noobs. I can give you more examples that you use to facilitate your Human capacities as game player if you wish. You are way to far from my level.

Mods? No. Never. Only Third Age TW and RTR along time ago.

Only Legendary is for noobs? I wrote I play Legendary+ default settings+ Ultimate Victory (and the battle add ons that you and everyone uses that I dont use, because I want the most realistic as possible). These 3 factors are quite differente with only Legendary. Read what I wrote. You would barely win big battles for years, or turn auto defeats in victories as human, until you have learned on how not to use those battlefield nOObish add ons.

So you have won all your campaigns on Legendary level+default+Ultimate victory? I would like to see you doing one with Isru or other.

[Kendji]

Originally posted by oOIYvYIOo:

Originally posted by Kendji:

Have you tried some more hardcore stuff than just legendary? I mean, legendary+max sea peoples+max weather, terrain, disable post-battle replenishment etc. + Heclaes AI mod + Xanth's Unit rebalance. Only Legendary is for n00bs imo. x)

Hmm. You have been writing toward me in several ocasions puting yourself as having reason and knowledge of this game above me. Your far from it. And you dont even bother to read or cant understand what I write demonstrating that your blind by your ego.

There is nor more hardcore than what I wrote. Default settings does not have nothing to do with the the Interaction with the AI on Diplomatic level etc.

You use flags on your units during the battles, I dont. You use range visible limits for your long range units, I dont, you use path arrows, I dont, coloured armies, etc, etc, etc. Dont try to tell me that you know what is "hardcore". Those adds are for noobs. I can give you more examples that you use to facilitate your Human capacities as game player if you wish. You are way to far from my level.

Mods? No. Never. Only Third Age TW and RTR along time ago.

Only Legendary is for noobs? I wrote I play Legendary+ default settings+ Ultimate Victory (and the battle add ons that you and everyone uses that I dont use, because I want the most realistic as possible). These 3 factors are quite differente with only Legendary. Read what I wrote. You would barely win big battles for years, or turn auto defeats in victories as human, until you have learned on how not to use those battlefield nOObish add ons.

So you have won all your campaigns on Legendary level+default+Ultimate victory? I would like to see you doing one with Isru or other.

'Above' you? When have I said that? I'm trying to mess with you ;) since your very much into that Legendary status, so it's an juicy button I couldn't resist pressing. So serious :P

Ok on a serious note, yes, I like to use mods or what ever makes the experience in practice more difficult. I tend to find Legendary campaigns are really hard in the early game, but by mid game they are easier than what I use. The AI is still the same under the hood, just propped up by modifiers. While I find things that add unpredictability to the mix make things harder. I haven't won all my legendary campaigns, instead the victory or defeat is essentially decided how the early game goes.

And yes you play differently from me, I use things you don't and vice versa.

But if you find Legendary as your preference, you do you, I don't care. ... It's ok to be a N00b xP Haha. We can be n00bs together <3 Honey!