What will be the next total war?

[jcarlosgonzalez]

There are indications that the next total war could be star wars total war, what do you think?

[i-dot]

Total War: Genhiskhan
with huge map from Pacific Ocean to Atlantic Ocean

[Ajax]

Originally posted by Iskar:

All gunpowder would be even more boring than all melee. Only sensible choice imho is early modern era with its mix of old and new technologies.

I would love to see a game focused on the the Early Modern period, possibly set between 1450-1650 or 1490-1690, with campaigns focused on wars like the Thirty Years War (1618-1648), Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639-1651), The Italian Wars (1494-1559), and other famous events like the Conquest of the Aztecs and Incas, or the Spanish Armada etc

It's the only major time period between the Bronze Age and the end of the Napoleonic Era that the Total War series has never seriously covered. Although I am interested in the Medieval period, I think all the various medieval mods on Attila, Rome II and Rome Remastered have that covered, so if I want to scratch that itch I'll just go and play one of those mods, or the countless Medieval themed games on Steam.

The Renaissance/Early Modern Period on the other hand tends to be totally ignored by major gaming companies. Beyond smaller scale older titles like Cossacks, or low-budget indie games like Pike & Shot, it's not usually covered at all in mainstream games. So that would be my number one choice for a setting for a Total War game.

[Kendji]

Originally posted by i-dot:

Total War: Genhiskhan
with huge map from Pacific Ocean to Atlantic Ocean

If they made it properly, say with all Asia, Europe and at least North Africa. Hell yes I would buy TW Genghis Khan. If it would be TW Siberia+Steppes, no.

[Hydra]

I'm not so much concerned about the setting as I am about the quality. I would much rather a great game in a setting I have little interest in than a butchery of a setting I love and want to see done right.

[Iskar]

Originally posted by Ajax:

Originally posted by Iskar:

All gunpowder would be even more boring than all melee. Only sensible choice imho is early modern era with its mix of old and new technologies.

I would love to see a game focused on the the Early Modern period, possibly set between 1450-1650 or 1490-1690, with campaigns focused on wars like the Thirty Years War (1618-1648), Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639-1651), The Italian Wars (1494-1559), and other famous events like the Conquest of the Aztecs and Incas, or the Spanish Armada etc

It's the only major time period between the Bronze Age and the end of the Napoleonic Era that the Total War series has never seriously covered. Although I am interested in the Medieval period, I think all the various medieval mods on Attila, Rome II and Rome Remastered have that covered, so if I want to scratch that itch I'll just go and play one of those mods, or the countless Medieval themed games on Steam.

The Renaissance/Early Modern Period on the other hand tends to be totally ignored by major gaming companies. Beyond smaller scale older titles like Cossacks, or low-budget indie games like Pike & Shot, it's not usually covered at all in mainstream games. So that would be my number one choice for a setting for a Total War game.

Exactly. They may have avoided the setting before since they used to be unable to properly reflect the combined arms tactics of pike and shot haufen, but at least since 3K they have the technology to implement units with different weapons and behaviour in the same unit.

[Adventurous350]

They do, but the series needs a complete revamp for the next game. The gunpowder style from Napoleon Total War was excellent. It was simply too small in scope and the AI was atrocious. It also would need more happening in the campaign map.

[Eddie G]

Originally posted by RitualistEssence:

Originally posted by jcarlosgonzalez:

No Isthar, I don't have faith either or so I hope that the next total war is not from star wars, I have only seen it in some forum. An early gunpowder era would be good, the period from the 12th to the 17th century would not be bad either, a Ghengis Khan total war, but personally I would like a continuation of the Bronze Age with the beginnings of Rome until the time of the beginnings of the Republic, there were many wars, and a total war fantasizing with Aeneas arriving in Italy and beginning the great feat of the initial survival of Rome, against all the Latin, Greek, Etruscan and Gaul peoples would be fine. Regards

Ghengis Khan Total War sounds good because unlike Medieval Total War the map would also include Japan and China along with Europe/Middle East/North Africa. Would be pretty fun playing as Japan and then conquer all the way to England lol. Kind of like how you could play as Maratha (India) in Empire total war and conquer the Americas.

They probably are done with Bronze Age games because they don't sell well and we already have the early republic era in Rise of the Republic campaign DLC for Rome 2.

I've been saying Ghengis Khan total war since 2018 when they were wondering the same thing back then. It didn't take with the people on that forum though, glad to see others think the same. Koie made Ghengis Khan back in the early 90's arpund the same time as Romance and Nobunaga's ambition on the Nintendo. It had a huge map going all the way over to north Africa and it had european Knights. But that was a pretty cheesy by todays standard turn based game.

[Iskar]

Originally posted by Adventurous350:

They do, but the series needs a complete revamp for the next game. The gunpowder style from Napoleon Total War was excellent. It was simply too small in scope and the AI was atrocious. It also would need more happening in the campaign map.

Really? I never liked the gunpowder from Napoleon/Empire. Everything felt too much like rubber balls being thrown around compared to the thundering volleys of the lategame gunpowder units from Med2.

[ik vind geschiedenis leuk]

early iron age middle east, also because I think scythia would make a better nomadic faction than the mongols

[Iskar]

Originally posted by ik vind geschiedenis leuk:

early iron age middle east, also because I think scythia would make a better nomadic faction than the mongols

That's too close to Pharaoh's setting AND the early iron age is not different enough from Rome I/II /Attila and all their mods.

[ik vind geschiedenis leuk]

Originally posted by Iskar:

Originally posted by ik vind geschiedenis leuk:

early iron age middle east, also because I think scythia would make a better nomadic faction than the mongols

That's too close to Pharaoh's setting AND the early iron age is not different enough from Rome I/II /Attila and all their mods.

1. it is not
2. it is
now the longer version
1. early iron age had a diffferent economical, military and political system to late bronze age. there is cavalry and more organized armies. faction like medo-scythia, scythia, lydia, urartu and the neo-assyrian and neo-babylonian empires were different from the bronze age empires, because there were external influences and 4/5 centuries in between.
2. the rome games are based on the mediterranian and the roman hegemony, not the middle east and the scythian/assyrian hegemony. I am just going to ignore the attila part. in the early iron age middle east battle tactitcs also were different from the punic and macedonian wars. if you think it is too close to the rome games and pharaoh, then genghis khan would be to close to thrones of brittania, medieval an empire

[Iskar]

Originally posted by ik vind geschiedenis leuk:

Originally posted by Iskar:

That's too close to Pharaoh's setting AND the early iron age is not different enough from Rome I/II /Attila and all their mods.

1. it is not
2. it is
now the longer version
1. early iron age had a diffferent economical, military and political system to late bronze age. there is cavalry and more organized armies. faction like medo-scythia, scythia, lydia, urartu and the neo-assyrian and neo-babylonian empires were different from the bronze age empires, because there were external influences and 4/5 centuries in between.
2. the rome games are based on the mediterranian and the roman hegemony, not the middle east and the scythian/assyrian hegemony. I am just going to ignore the attila part. in the early iron age middle east battle tactitcs also were different from the punic and macedonian wars. if you think it is too close to the rome games and pharaoh, then genghis khan would be to close to thrones of brittania, medieval an empire

1. Structurally I agree, but marketingwise it would be a nightmare. For the average customer "late bronze age" and "early iron age" sound way too close to prevent the "more of the same" association.
2. I thought more about mods like Ancient Empires or DeI for the games mentioned and who is the current hegemon doesn't matter as much as the general structure of warfare.

[Adventurous350]

Originally posted by Iskar:

Originally posted by Adventurous350:

They do, but the series needs a complete revamp for the next game. The gunpowder style from Napoleon Total War was excellent. It was simply too small in scope and the AI was atrocious. It also would need more happening in the campaign map.

Really? I never liked the gunpowder from Napoleon/Empire. Everything felt too much like rubber balls being thrown around compared to the thundering volleys of the lategame gunpowder units from Med2.

I will add that I can see your point. The vanilla experience in Napoleon and Empire were really bad. The modded experience can be pretty good though.

I used to play alot of NTW3. The work put into that mod is unbelievable. It really thrived in multiplayer. Back when I actually had time in life haha, I played with the Napoleonics clan. Multiplayer battles could last 4-5 hours at times. The maps are huge with tons of manuevering. It truly felt like a real battle and had fantastic graphics. I'd love to see something similar for a singleplayer experience.

During the battles you really had to think, where should I put my artillery?, where should I focus my attack/defense?, what towns on the map do we need to take?, etc. Gunpowder offers alot, it simply has not been implemented properly in the past.

[Thangbom]

Go ask CA.

[Creeping Death (VvvvV)]

I'd like to see a US Civil War version of TW but it's probably too specific for the series.