Upper vs Lower Egyptian Unit Strengths

[Iskar]

I have noticed that Lower Egyptian units seem to more numerous than their counterparts from other realms and the other way around for Upper Egyptian ones.
Example: Kushite spearmen field 120 men in my setting, Upper Egyptian spearmen only 90 and Lower Egyptian ones 160.
Is that a bug in how the unit numbers are defined or an actual design choice offset by other stats?

[Fyrnir]

Is there a significant stat difference between the 90 and 160?

[Iskar]

Haven't noticed so far. In fact the 120 Kushite spearmen have better missile block than the 90 upper egyptians, and all of them seem to have the same base armour of 80.

[Darth Alpharius]

there is a slight stat difference between Upper and Lower Egypt, Though I think the Unit Numbers aint right.

[Iskar]

Time to get out the PFM until they fix it officially, I guess.

[Darth Alpharius]

Beaten already
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3066997484&searchtext=

[Iskar]

Partly - that doesn't fix the lower egyptian ones having more than standard numbers.

[Darth Alpharius]

could be because the quality of armour is lower

[Iskar]

I thought they had 80 base armour as well, so even if the upper ones have 85 that doesn't justify 25% more troops.

[valky]

I think you should consider the factions, that can recruit those specific units right away, as Amenmesse and Tausret have quite formidable spearmen or a faction-specific unit, that easily beats the lower egypt-chaff. (queen's guard / Ta-Seti)
And even the light spearmen of Tausret are easily on par - if not better - than the Lower Egypt ones. Queen's Guard plays whack-a-mole with an unit of Lower-Egypt swordsmen.....

And Amenmesse just kills stuff on range.....and has reasonable sword-/spearmen as well.

The unit-size might sound silly at first, but once the Decrees clock in (+10 & +15%MD) you'll notice the difference. I think the lower unit-sized guys could have a tad bit armor, as their unit card looks better armored.

^^ above: all their armor-quality is considered good....

[Darth Alpharius]

Upper Egypt is the only one with lower Unit count. Highlands units don't have a lower unit even though they have Higher Stats then Lowlands.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Iskar:

Is that a bug in how the unit numbers are defined or an actual design choice offset by other stats?

It's a design choice. Lower Egyptian Units are noted as numerous in their stat card, there are supposed to be more of them.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron Raptor]

Originally posted by Iskar:

I have noticed that Lower Egyptian units seem to more numerous than their counterparts from other realms and the other way around for Upper Egyptian ones.
Example: Kushite spearmen field 120 men in my setting, Upper Egyptian spearmen only 90 and Lower Egyptian ones 160.
Is that a bug in how the unit numbers are defined or an actual design choice offset by other stats?

The greater numbers is supposed to make up for the weaker stats. But my experience is that the Upper Egyptian units are still better in practice.

It was different in gunpowder based TW:s where greater numbers was actually a major advantage. But for melee, numbers are really second to stats.

And yeah it is not a bug. It is very much intentional.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron Raptor]

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

Upper Egypt is the only one with lower Unit count. Highlands units don't have a lower unit even though they have Higher Stats then Lowlands.

I think what you mean to say is that Lower Egypt is the only one with higher unit count. Except for Seti's units of course.

[Xanth™]

Originally posted by |Sith|Galvanized Iron Raptor:

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

Upper Egypt is the only one with lower Unit count. Highlands units don't have a lower unit even though they have Higher Stats then Lowlands.

I think what you mean to say is that Lower Egypt is the only one with higher unit count. Except for Seti's units of course.

The Upper Egyptian units have less entities in their T3 and T4 melee units. They don't have better stats compared to Canaanites or Kushites, while still costing the same in recruitment and upkeep, which makes them pretty much underpowered.

Lower Egypt has bigger numbers, but they seem pretty balanced, since they have worse stats compared to other native units from other areas, but more HP per unit (due to more men) means they can hold the line for quite some time.

[Darth Alpharius]

"As Lower Egypt;s lush Nile Valley feeds the Two Kingdoms, So does its fertility Provide plenty of sons to toss carelessly onto the Battlefield" -Lower Egypt units

Main part of the lower Egypt units is they suffer from Low Morale and/or Weak Vigour making them tire easily when compared to the more loyal Upbringing in upper egypt.