I almost wishlisted this ... until I saw Denuvo

[Ghojo]

Yeah, even though I love Total War (even after all the awful last few games) and like the old Egyption culture, I am moving this to my ignore list. ♥♥♥♥ Denuvo and all these anti-consumer practises.

And before the DRM shills come out with their "muh piracy" arguments, I will leave this quote here:

"Piracy is an issue of service, not price"
- Gabe Newell (Valve)

[valky]

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

Originally posted by Vinnie DAngelo:

What's Denuvo?

A bogeyman invented by online influencers for cheap clicks and outrage.

n1 one :Þ

according to some, it actually spies on you, reduces performances of the game by up to 30% and does other inedible thingies....

It's usually from ppl, who are just too stupid to pirate......*sigh* And that's why the patch-policy came in place :)
Haven't checked in a while, but pirating games is just not worth it......you either play outdated and broken garbage or it crashes all the time.....

(edit: oh, wait ^^)

[Spicy Grasshopper]

Erm actually pirating games is better than having a denuvo game- thats the whole issue with denuvo.
It causes more damage to games via performance issues, ranging from loss of a few frames to in some cases complete blue screens.

If you see denuvo on a game- you don't buy that game, simple as.
You torrent it.

Why?
Because through torrenting/piracy you tend to find they remove denuvo completely which improves the performance of the game...

[Scar]

Originally posted by Ghojo:

Originally posted by Vinnie DAngelo:

What's Denuvo?

An extremely intrusive DRM, that runs in the background and is well known to degrade performance or even make games completely unplayable for the customers - aka you the people who buy games.

It's the most anti-consumer software in the gaming industry, but publishers still force it because they believe it will prevent piracy (it doesn't).

Originally posted by HenloPeeps:

Erm actually pirating games is better than having a denuvo game- thats the whole issue with denuvo.
It causes more damage to games via performance issues, ranging from loss of a few frames to in some cases complete blue screens.

If you see denuvo on a game- you don't buy that game, simple as.
You torrent it.

Why?
Because through torrenting/piracy you tend to find they remove denuvo completely which improves the performance of the game...

Erm The performance isn't degraded if optimised well... removing it from Payday 3 has proved that to many people.

[Spicy Grasshopper]

Originally posted by Scar:

Originally posted by Ghojo:

An extremely intrusive DRM, that runs in the background and is well known to degrade performance or even make games completely unplayable for the customers - aka you the people who buy games.

It's the most anti-consumer software in the gaming industry, but publishers still force it because they believe it will prevent piracy (it doesn't).

Originally posted by HenloPeeps:

Erm actually pirating games is better than having a denuvo game- thats the whole issue with denuvo.
It causes more damage to games via performance issues, ranging from loss of a few frames to in some cases complete blue screens.

If you see denuvo on a game- you don't buy that game, simple as.
You torrent it.

Why?
Because through torrenting/piracy you tend to find they remove denuvo completely which improves the performance of the game...

Erm The performance isn't degraded if optimised well... removing it from Payday 3 has proved that to many people.

Do you believe CA can code that well...
Because evidence would suggest they cant, their overall game mechanics seem to be gamified (aka simplified)

[ryansDeViL]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whyy.. thank you for the heads up.. I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now..

[Stavinsky]

Originally posted by Lo Burattino:

I still don't get the hate for Denuvo, are you pc gamers worried you will have to play at 800 FPS instead of the usual 1000?

It's more the fact that Denuvo was made by the same people who were behind securom.

It's the fact that Denuvo is more like some programmed obsolescence waiting to be used (if Denuvo go belly up or stop services, then you can't play your legally bought games... where pirates will still be able to play their game).

I invite you to take a look at the study about piracy made by the EU in 2013, and how the result was so far off the DRM lobbyist expectation that they tried to have it buried.

If anything like Denuvo was used in any other product (let's say a car) with the same kind of 'side effect' (imagine a car that need to check if you are the rightful owner at some 'random time' and that the presence of that 'option' make your engine burn a few liter more per 100 km) people would scream and boycott the car builder.

Right now there are people who are not wanting to pirate but want to be able to reinstall a game they bought 10 years ago without the DRM to be a nuisance. I have more than 30 years of gaming, and I have seen how those "DRM" of any kind have mostly being nuisance more than useful. Gabe Newell state that DRM are not the solution but "good service to customer", and he is right. Steam also showed many times that even when a game is cracked, most companies don't see a drop in their 'sales' like all their Drones are claiming.

I own a number of legally bought game, and even some on CD and DVD (yes I know I'm old), and some of those games are riddled with DRM (starforce and other sh*t like that). When people tell me "oh but if the DRM go belly up, the companies will remove them and provide solutions..." I answer them simply that I contacted Ubisoft and a couple others to reinstall my old legally bought games and their answer was "Buy it anew, there is a version on our online store/steam that is not locked behind a DRM"....

So nope... game companies are not going to remove their DRM as they don't care for their customers, they only care about their profit and greed. At least for those companies that use DRM the 'wrong way', by that I mean they put the DRM and never remove it.

A company that use the DRM in the right way, that mean to protect the initial sale at launch and then remove it after a while are companies that are ok on my book. As they walk the middle line and at least provide a product without the cancer that is a DRM in the long run. But we have seen that games can do well (Elden Ring and others) without any DRM, just by providing players with a quality product that player want to buy.

[Dio]

why you guys act like its something new?

[NASHTIC]

Lol these guys must be a diplomat or something like that

Another nice clickbait title tho

[dulany67]

Every TW game for the last 5 or 6 years has had denuvo. So either deal with it or move on from the series.

[Blue]

Oh my god this thing again, lol.

Don't buy it then. I don't care about your problems. lol

[Rincewind]

still waiting for a new medieval or empire game...
If CA don´t want my money i´m okay with that. Meanwhile i spent my money on other games. Cya to the next total war xyz

[Jack Greedy]

Newest versions of Denuvo are harmless to performance, stay positive.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Jack Greedy:

Newest versions of Denuvo are harmless to performance, stay positive.

Cool, glad they fixed one of the numerous issues Denuvo had, at least. Meanwhile, it still affects loading times, offline mode, Steam Deck players... but who cares, right?

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Ghojo:

Yeah, even though I love Total War (even after all the awful last few games) and like the old Egyption culture, I am moving this to my ignore list. ♥♥♥♥ Denuvo and all these anti-consumer practises.

And before the DRM shills come out with their "muh piracy" arguments, I will leave this quote here:

"Piracy is an issue of service, not price"
- Gabe Newell (Valve)

DANG IT! :( when I hear denuvo I hear "dont buy this" maybe they will drop it after some time like some other companies do

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Rincewind:

still waiting for a new medieval or empire game...
If CA don´t want my money i´m okay with that. Meanwhile i spent my money on other games. Cya to the next total war xyz

If they made a good medieval 3 I would be on it like fleas on a dog :D