I think actual Egyptians are going to take issue with this.

[Gunndalf]

I don't think that the Egyptians were the same as sub-Saharan Africans

[i-dot]

Originally posted by Warriordude:

why on Earth would you put a black guy as a Pharaoh of Egypt

the pharaoh in the video is not a black nor an asian
how do U call him?

PS the 25th dynasty was black nubians
while the last dynasty was whiye greco-macedonians that had incest to keep their whitness
other dynasties were not neither nubuans nor greco-macedonians

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by i-dot:

Originally posted by Warriordude:

why on Earth would you put a black guy as a Pharaoh of Egypt

the pharaoh in the video is not a black nor an asian
how do U call him?

PS the 25th dynasty was black nubians
while the last dynasty was whiye greco-macedonians that had incest to keep their whitness
other dynasties were not neither nubuans nor greco-macedonians

All egyptian dynasties commited royal incest. The Ptolomies were not unique in this regard.
Rameses II even had a club foot as a result of inbreeding.

[Sul Haren]

Originally posted by Warriordude:

Total War: WOKE

I'm not an expert on Ancient Egyptian History, but why on Earth would you put a black guy as a Pharaoh of Egypt. I don't know if the Ancient Egyptians were White or they are Current Egyptians that live there today, they sure as hell weren't black. If I lived in Egypt I'd be raving mad over this

So you admit that you don't know much about Ancient Egypt and then confidently proclaim how they looked?
The majority of Ancient Egyptians indeed were not black and looked most like Middle Eastern people today, however black people did exist in Ancient Egypt and also exist in modern day Egypt. Ramesses III in particular (pharaoh on the cover) was shown to have more Sub-Saharan DNA than most Egyptians based on his mummy.

[Shazam]

You're right, ancient Egyptians weren't black. They genetically resembled Palestinian and Lebanese people. In fact studies show ancient Egyptians had less subsaharan DNA admixture than modern day Egyptians do (and modern Egyptians are not very black).

Source: This peer reviewed genetics paper

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

"The samples recovered from Middle Egypt span around 1,300 years of ancient Egyptian history from the New Kingdom to the Roman Period. Our analyses reveal that ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times. "



This obsession with depicting Egyptians as black africans is a modern Western / American thing.

[Shazam]

Originally posted by Sul Haren:

Ramesses III in particular (pharaoh on the cover) was shown to have more Sub-Saharan DNA than most Egyptians based on his mummy.

What's your source for this? There is no high coverage genome available for Rameses III, only a debated claim he had haplogroup E

https://www.sciencedirect.com/search?qs=ramesses%20III%20dna

There are no scientific papers on the Autosomal DNA (aka the total DNA) of Pharaoh Ramesses III.

[Shazam]

BTW I'm not denying that people who were more southern aka subsaharan African weren't in ancient Egypt, they were, its that they would have been seen as ethnically different to the native Egyptians, e.g Nubians, Aethiopes

[Sul Haren]

Originally posted by Shazam:

Originally posted by Sul Haren:

Ramesses III in particular (pharaoh on the cover) was shown to have more Sub-Saharan DNA than most Egyptians based on his mummy.

What's your source for this? There is no high coverage genome available for Rameses III, only an erroneous claim he had haplogroup E

https://www.sciencedirect.com/search?qs=ramesses%20III%20dna

There are no scientific papers on the Autosomal DNA of Pharaoh Ramesses III.

https://www.docdroid.net/EC8uFeh/gad-et-al-hawass-fs-final-2020-pdf#page=22
Not a study on Ramesses III specifically, he was just one of the mummies examined in it.

[Shazam]

Originally posted by Sul Haren:

Originally posted by Shazam:

What's your source for this? There is no high coverage genome available for Rameses III, only an erroneous claim he had haplogroup E

https://www.sciencedirect.com/search?qs=ramesses%20III%20dna

There are no scientific papers on the Autosomal DNA of Pharaoh Ramesses III.

https://www.docdroid.net/EC8uFeh/gad-et-al-hawass-fs-final-2020-pdf#page=22
Not a study on Ramesses III specifically, he was just one of the mummies examined in it.

that is interesting that he on glance appears to have a YDNA clade common to west africa, but haplogroup alone does not necessarily mean he had higher admixture from there. Haplogroup only accounts for less than 1% of a person's total DNA, for example I am from europe but have an arabian Y haplogroup. Also, I read that some people have looked at the Y STRs (short tandem repeats) used to predict the Haplogroup in that study and found that some aren't really common to any modern E1b1a carriers at all, as well as the fact that other tools predict the haplogroup based on Y STRs to be E-V22 not E1b1a, and E-V22 is most common in Berbers. So not super conclusive evidence he had more subsaharan ancestry!

[Z-Todd1991]

This confirms but one thing.

Internet was a mistake.

[Warriordude]

Originally posted by Sul Haren:

Originally posted by Warriordude:

Total War: WOKE

I'm not an expert on Ancient Egyptian History, but why on Earth would you put a black guy as a Pharaoh of Egypt. I don't know if the Ancient Egyptians were White or they are Current Egyptians that live there today, they sure as hell weren't black. If I lived in Egypt I'd be raving mad over this

So you admit that you don't know much about Ancient Egypt and then confidently proclaim how they looked?
The majority of Ancient Egyptians indeed were not black and looked most like Middle Eastern people today, however black people did exist in Ancient Egypt and also exist in modern day Egypt. Ramesses III in particular (pharaoh on the cover) was shown to have more Sub-Saharan DNA than most Egyptians based on his mummy.

Good you agree that the majority of Ancient Egyptians weren't black

Oh!!! so they picked Ramesses III because he had more Sub-Saharan DNA, what's more like 4 or 5%% assume you do know Ramses II was a redhead correct?

I've heard the Pharaohs correct me if I'm wrong the Pharaohs thought they were Gods and wanted their blood line pure so they kept it in the family in other words they were all inbreeding like the European Monarchs.

[Cabbage]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_III#/media/File:KhonsuTemple-Karnak-RamessesIII-2.jpg

[Sul Haren]

Originally posted by Warriordude:

Originally posted by Sul Haren:

So you admit that you don't know much about Ancient Egypt and then confidently proclaim how they looked?
The majority of Ancient Egyptians indeed were not black and looked most like Middle Eastern people today, however black people did exist in Ancient Egypt and also exist in modern day Egypt. Ramesses III in particular (pharaoh on the cover) was shown to have more Sub-Saharan DNA than most Egyptians based on his mummy.

Good you agree that the majority of Ancient Egyptians weren't black

Oh!!! so they picked Ramesses III because he had more Sub-Saharan DNA, what's more like 4 or 5%%

They picked Ramesses III, because he is arguably the most important historical figure of the Bronze Age collapse, where the game takes place. Though other pharaohs with lighter skin are in the game too. It's not really a percentage thing as that's way too difficult to figure out with such degraded DNA. He was found to belong to the haplogroup E1b1a, which is associated with West Africa (does not neccessarly mean he was black) and was depicted with darker skin than other pharaohs too.

Originally posted by Warriordude:

you do know Ramses II was a redhead correct?

I've heard the Pharaohs correct me if I'm wrong the Pharaohs thought they were Gods and wanted their blood line pure so they kept it in the family in other words they were all inbreeding like the European Monarchs.

Ramesses II was a redhead, yes though red hair is not exclusive to white people, Malcom X had naturally red hair. However Ramesses II likely wasn't black but looked mostly like today's Middle Easterners.

I'm not sure what your point with the inbreeding is, however Ramesses II had multiple wives and his favorite one, Nefertari, was not related to him.

I assume you are trying to claim that with Ramesses II, who according to you cannot be dark skinned due to red hair, Ramesses III cannot be either, since thanks to inbreeding the "pure" blood means they have similar appearance. Here you are mistakingly thinking that they are related, Ramesses III is of the 20th dynasty while Ramesses II was of the 19th. The other playable characters will be of the 19th though.

[Ay Tone]

Originally posted by ⸸Letters from Satan⸸:

Educate yourselves please
https://youtu.be/1qS-7VMr28o

Username checks out.

[Gegenpress]

Originally posted by Gunndalf:

I don't think that the Egyptians were the same as sub-Saharan Africans

Let me guess, you're one of those "Egyptians were white" dudes

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Gegenpress:

Originally posted by Gunndalf:

I don't think that the Egyptians were the same as sub-Saharan Africans

Let me guess, you're one of those "Egyptians were white" dudes

A lot of egyptians were white. Some still are.