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[bróther jímmy]

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[Josh]

引用自 cyrus：

It's more Troy-style TW which was never all that appealing to me, but now the DLC grifting is going even harder with pre-order bonuses and multiple editions of the game to buy to get access to what will likely be very middling DLC as it has been for years and years.

I remember when times were simpler with Shogun all the way to Medieval 2. Fun and enthralling games with pretty good expansion packs that shook gameplay up a fair bit and added a lot more hours of fun. Empire, Napoleon, and Rome 2 had missteps but they still had SOME redeeming qualities. Shogun 2 shows that even with the debatably worse engine, you can still make a fun game with it. The schlock that's been released in the past 10 years is utterly shocking though, now we've got useless cosmetic DLCs on top of the usual blood packs and overpriced drivel that does little to refresh the game. This is before factoring in the abuse allegations from months ago, and winding down multiplayer support of the older games to try and drive people to whatever the hell the newer games are.

I don't understand how a company like Creative Assembly can get so much constructive criticism and offers of help from diehard fans who genuinely love these games, and yet they refuse or ignore all of it, do their own thing, and fail time and time again.

Yeah, I'm tired of them being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and not developing a ww1 or ww2 for fear of poltiical correctness. They've done so many ancient periods, it's time to be inventive. I don't think i'll buy this game either because as you aptly point out, it looks miserable. It looks tired and recycled.

[dulany67]

引用自 cyllan2：

What do you contribute???, are you even a gamer or a CA employee?

"Do you even lift bro..." 😂

[Hexagoros]

引用自 Hugh de Salle：

引用自 Hexagoros：

How people choose to spend their money is a much better indication than Steam Reviews.

So I invite you to please google the sales figures for yourself.

Here's a quick summary;

The Warhammer trilogy has been the single best thing for CA since the company's inception, and even pulled Warhammer: Fantasy back from being canned by Games Workshop.

Then in-between Warhammer 2 and 3, Three Kingdoms happened. Three Kingdoms outsold every Total War up to that point (including Warhammer 1 and 2), until it was dethroned by Warhammer 3, which shattered sales figures 'and' concurrent player counts. Warhammer 3 - despite its rocky launch - was (and continues to be) a massive success.

In other words, Warhammer 1, 2, Three Kingdoms, and Warhammer 3 each took a turn being the best selling Total War. That's a winning formula that CA has zero reason to interrupt.

I'm sorry, but facts are stubborn things, and the sales of Warhammer 1, 2, 3 and Three Kingdoms speak for themselves, as do the player counts.

TLDR: People here saying "CA hasn't made a good game since MTW1/2" are just blinded by their own nostalgia, or simply unwilling to move with the times. Or maybe - just maybe - they've simply outgrown the hobby, as MTW2 was released a freaking long time ago.

Again you totally don't understand that just because a game sells well does not make it a good game.

WH2 is a decent game its decent because its unique with magic and has amazing models and graphics but dig underneath its bland and if you can be botherd to play past turn 80 you will find that no matter how diverse the factions are they pretty much play the same in battle with the AI and yourself making doomstacks.

3K was made for Chinese market on purpose no wonder it sold well but after a month people stopped playing it.

The Sagas both Troy and ToB both sold poorly and even shills couldn't not defend how crap these games were.

Rome II was a disaster at launch took them years to fix it and they didn't even bother compensating their fan-base.

Attila has never been fixed they just sort of abandoned it after their DLC stopped selling.

Rome-remastered was a joke how do you ♥♥♥ up one of all time great games by installing a UI that virtually ever player hates , Goes to prove how inept CA are.

You are completely insane if you think the modern titles are better than before 2013 , Like i said only Wh2 because of its uniqueness not because its good can compete and guess what not as if it could fail with all the rabid Warhammer fans out there.

I'm actually not trying to convince you of anything - I'm just trying to convey that if CA has found a winning formula for selling games, they have no reason to change.

Rome 1 Remastered never got any traction because once you remove the rose-colored glasses and actually try to go back and play Rome 1, the game is just bare bones and archaic by comparison to any of the recent titles.

And as I actually happen to like 3K, Warhammer 1, 2, and 3, and loved Rome 2 Imperial Edition, I'm not in the same boat as you. I see the increased sales figures as evidence that they have indeed struck on something good.

Again, I'm not trying to convince that post 2013 Total Wars are good or bad, but for you to insist that "everyone but me is wrong," is a little silly on your part. These games are selling phenomenally well (for strategy games), and continue to sell well. "And" they maintain their playerbases.

If people didn't like what CA was selling, people wouldn't keep buying it. Just take a look at the recent flops across the gaming industry from major developers as evidence of this.

But again, if you haven't liked a CA title since 2013, maybe you simply aren't CA's intended audience, or have simply outgrown the hobby.

Both are real possibilities - and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Atruin Augustus]

people: we want napaloean total war 2 or Empire 2
Sega and TW Devs: we present something so disappointing that we are not sorry.

The People boycot

Devs why did this happen lol

[mattmcgill323]

Reskinning can work if the reskin is better than the original. But from what I've seen so far of Pharaoh it looks worse than Troy in terms of graphics/campaign map/concept.

Certainly the unit diversity is a downgrade from Warhammer, but that's gonna be the case when the time period limits you.

Basically Pharaoh looks like a step backwards.

And yes it should be labeled "saga"

[la_nague]

This is just their side game series, they just dropped the "saga" because of bad reputation and they did a price hike.

This is not a main title.

[dulany67]

引用自 la_nague：

This is just their side game series, they just dropped the "saga" because of bad reputation and they did a price hike.

This is not a main title.

TBH, I expect mainline TW games to be $70 going forward, so possibly still discounted.

[Rod]

引用自 Hexagoros：

引用自 Hugh de Salle：

Ohh dear well i would say people completely disagree with you considering a bug ridden broken AI Empire total war still blow all the modern games out of the water apart from WH2 according to peoples reviews on steam but i must be sniffing glue or something no wait MtW2 and Rome as-well opps and also everything before 2013 sort of beats all modern day titles well i never.

How people choose to spend their money is a much better indication than Steam Reviews.

So I invite you to please google the sales figures for yourself.

Here's a quick summary;

The Warhammer trilogy has been the single best thing for CA since the company's inception, and even pulled Warhammer: Fantasy back from being canned by Games Workshop.

Then in-between Warhammer 2 and 3, Three Kingdoms happened. Three Kingdoms outsold every Total War up to that point (including Warhammer 1 and 2), until it was dethroned by Warhammer 3, which shattered sales figures 'and' concurrent player counts. Warhammer 3 - despite its rocky launch - was (and continues to be) a massive success.

In other words, Warhammer 1, 2, Three Kingdoms, and Warhammer 3 each took a turn being the best selling Total War. That's a winning formula that CA has zero reason to interrupt.

I'm sorry, but facts are stubborn things, and the sales of Warhammer 1, 2, 3 and Three Kingdoms speak for themselves, as do the player counts.

TLDR: People here saying "CA hasn't made a good game since MTW1/2" are just blinded by their own nostalgia, or simply unwilling to move with the times. Or maybe - just maybe - they've simply outgrown the hobby, as MTW2 was released a freaking long time ago.

Warhammer has a massive brand and cult following that alongside the Totalwar brand and 3D engine was always going to sell well as everyday there are new pc gamers and thus the new titles tend to sell the best. It also was going to have core fans want to try something new.


Your other example was a China themed game that caters to the worlds largest ethnic group in the Han and about 1.4 billion people. Of course they are going to outsell Napoleon and Shogun.


But they are worse games than the earlier titles. I dont care for sales as Empire was the best seller before them and was the worst Totalwar i ever played. I kind of sense that in your post you believe that times have changed and that the older fans who helped make the company are too niche and deserve to be let go. Thats fine by me! If CA want to leave me with Shogun Atilla and Napoleon im totally fine if they never ever make another one again. But what i would caution against is you can only make so many Warhammer and Chinese and India games and then eventually you would need to crawl back to the core audience who i would hope by then would be willing to turn thier back on the company that chose fantasy over history.

[dulany67]

引用自 Rod：

But they are worse games than the earlier titles. I dont care for sales as Empire was the best seller before them and was the worst Totalwar i ever played. I kind of sense that in your post you believe that times have changed and that the older fans who helped make the company are too niche and deserve to be let go. Thats fine by me! If CA want to leave me with Shogun Atilla and Napoleon im totally fine if they never ever make another one again. But what i would caution against is you can only make so many Warhammer and Chinese and India games and then eventually you would need to crawl back to the core audience who i would hope by then would be willing to turn thier back on the company that chose fantasy over history.

I've been with the series since the beginning, and I would say 3k was the best game in the series.

But opinions aside, I don't believe you should be left behind, it's just that the game you want is niche and you will be left behind if you can't adjust. There is literally no game dev out there that would accept lesser sales in order to make a more niche game, much less one that is a division of a publicly traded corporation. By all means push for the things you want, but recognize that they aren't all going to happen. The whining on this board is over the top.

It reminds me of when Bethesda took over Fallout. There are still people who insist that 1 and 2 were the only FO games worth playing, but their complaints are just screaming into the void.

And don't get me wrong, CA sucks in many, many ways. They are cheap, obviously run by accountants, and their PR verges on straight lying. Still, there's no one out there even remotely close to making an alternative.

[Hexagoros]

引用自 Rod：

引用自 Hexagoros：

How people choose to spend their money is a much better indication than Steam Reviews.

So I invite you to please google the sales figures for yourself.

Here's a quick summary;

The Warhammer trilogy has been the single best thing for CA since the company's inception, and even pulled Warhammer: Fantasy back from being canned by Games Workshop.

Then in-between Warhammer 2 and 3, Three Kingdoms happened. Three Kingdoms outsold every Total War up to that point (including Warhammer 1 and 2), until it was dethroned by Warhammer 3, which shattered sales figures 'and' concurrent player counts. Warhammer 3 - despite its rocky launch - was (and continues to be) a massive success.

In other words, Warhammer 1, 2, Three Kingdoms, and Warhammer 3 each took a turn being the best selling Total War. That's a winning formula that CA has zero reason to interrupt.

I'm sorry, but facts are stubborn things, and the sales of Warhammer 1, 2, 3 and Three Kingdoms speak for themselves, as do the player counts.

TLDR: People here saying "CA hasn't made a good game since MTW1/2" are just blinded by their own nostalgia, or simply unwilling to move with the times. Or maybe - just maybe - they've simply outgrown the hobby, as MTW2 was released a freaking long time ago.

Warhammer has a massive brand and cult following that alongside the Totalwar brand and 3D engine was always going to sell well as everyday there are new pc gamers and thus the new titles tend to sell the best. It also was going to have core fans want to try something new.


Your other example was a China themed game that caters to the worlds largest ethnic group in the Han and about 1.4 billion people. Of course they are going to outsell Napoleon and Shogun.


But they are worse games than the earlier titles. I dont care for sales as Empire was the best seller before them and was the worst Totalwar i ever played. I kind of sense that in your post you believe that times have changed and that the older fans who helped make the company are too niche and deserve to be let go. Thats fine by me! If CA want to leave me with Shogun Atilla and Napoleon im totally fine if they never ever make another one again. But what i would caution against is you can only make so many Warhammer and Chinese and India games and then eventually you would need to crawl back to the core audience who i would hope by then would be willing to turn thier back on the company that chose fantasy over history.

Warhammer Fantasy had a "massive brand and cult following" prior to Warhammer Total War?

Buddy, Warhammer: Fantasy was LITERALLY (yes literally) being cancelled when CA bought the license for cheap. There was no "massive" following for Warhammer: Fantasy at the time. It was a dead IP.

The models were being discontinued, and no new codexes were going to be issued. Then Warhammer: Total War became a runaway hit, and brought in a new audience for the setting.

in other words, Warhammer: Fantasy would NO LONGER EXIST if not for the Warhammer: Total War series.

And I don't follow your point on 3K. So the Chineses sales somehow don't count as sales? And what about the success of the title in the West? Or do those sales not count either?

Sales are sales from CA's perspective.

引用自 dulany67：

引用自 Rod：

But they are worse games than the earlier titles. I dont care for sales as Empire was the best seller before them and was the worst Totalwar i ever played. I kind of sense that in your post you believe that times have changed and that the older fans who helped make the company are too niche and deserve to be let go. Thats fine by me! If CA want to leave me with Shogun Atilla and Napoleon im totally fine if they never ever make another one again. But what i would caution against is you can only make so many Warhammer and Chinese and India games and then eventually you would need to crawl back to the core audience who i would hope by then would be willing to turn thier back on the company that chose fantasy over history.

I've been with the series since the beginning, and I would say 3k was the best game in the series.

But opinions aside, I don't believe you should be left behind, it's just that the game you want is niche and you will be left behind if you can't adjust. There is literally no game dev out there that would accept lesser sales in order to make a more niche game, much less one that is a division of a publicly traded corporation. By all means push for the things you want, but recognize that they aren't all going to happen. The whining on this board is over the top.

It reminds me of when Bethesda took over Fallout. There are still people who insist that 1 and 2 were the only FO games worth playing, but their complaints are just screaming into the void.

And don't get me wrong, CA sucks in many, many ways. They are cheap, obviously run by accountants, and their PR verges on straight lying. Still, there's no one out there even remotely close to making an alternative.

This right here.

[Ardir]

引用自 cyllan2：

引用自 cyrus：

Britain isn't part of Europe anymore, remember?

Britain isnt part of the Franco-German axis anymore, same as Luxemburg or Switzeland.
Isnt luxemburg or Switzeland EUROPE?

they are our vassals. They don't have the right to vote on the legislature they have to obey in order to stay part of the market. In political-sciences we call it /Vassal state/

[Ardir]

引用自 Montecalm：

Looks like I will be passing on this game as well. I haven't bought a TW game since Attila. I quit buying early release games from CA after the Rome 2 mess.

[Ardir]

引用自 SBA77：

引用自 Hecleas：

People complain, whereas on the side when CA does anything, takes the community for clowns and does anything with Warhammer, they are all happy and say nothing.

I wouldn't worry about them, they are not real fans, just members of the Cult of Volound.

Funny, but look at Pixelated Apollo, he's continuesly posting TWs and still is ashamed of upcoming pharaoh. I doubt your words SBA77

[dulany67]

引用自 Hugh de Salle：

The fact you favour 3K over Shogun 2 FoS says it all really and i know its personal opinion but seriously how can berate other people when everyone knows FoS is probably the best total war game hands down.

You talk about paradox games, but 3k is the only TW game that even approaches the complexity of a paradox game.

FotS has a lot going for it, but the islands of Japan don't exactly make for a great map to play on.

[_______LANDO_____]

rome one still outplays newest total war´s considering battlemechanics, colours etc..