Why does the Egyptian Pharoah look like an African American?

[Dongles]

Kinda strange, this guy looks like an African American instead of a North African Egyptian or one of the Greek looking Pharoahs from the Ptolemaic dynasty. Was this intended? Is this one of those Afro-Revisionist games?

[Sul Haren]

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Ramesses III in the game pretty much has exactly the skin tone that he was depicted as by the Egyptians themselves at the time.

few person with red hair does not mean that whole population has red hair
even more red or even blond hair does not mandatory mean being white 'caucasian'
https://youtu.be/g1UZ9fI5JQY?t=69
please look at 1:09

Replying the the wrong comment? I'm saying the depiction of Ramesses III on the cover is likely correct.

[Mind5torM]

Firstly, regarding the genetics.

Genetic studies have proven that the people of ancient Egypt were almost entirely of "Near Eastern" origins, and genetically very similar to the neighboring peoples to the northeast. They descended primarily from Neolithic era agriculturalist settlers from the northeast, and had only small levels of sub-saharan type ancestry on average (even as low as 0-1% actual black african), significantly less than the modern Egyptian population. Modern Egyptians have a much larger amount of sub-saharan ancestry than ancient Egyptians for reasons related to medieval and early modern slave trade. Notably, the maternal lineages of modern Egyptians are disproportionately sub-saharan compared to the ancient population.

The y-dna haplogroup branch of the Ramessides is today mostly associated with sub-saharan populations, but it's also closely related to other branches of E1 associated with Arabia, the Mediterranean region, and even Europe. The haplogroup branch probably originated in northeastern Africa about 40 THOUSAND YEARS AGO, and spread more to the south and west than to the north. The branch of the Ramessides actually has two known sub-branches, of which one (E-FT183172) has only been found in Arabia, while its brother branch E-M329 is also clearly Arabian. The specific sub-branch of the Ramessides hasn't been determined as far as I know, and it could be either of the two currently known sub-branches or a separate one. In any case, haplogroups only indicate a SINGLE ANCESTOR, NOT OVERALL ANCESTRY. For example, there are sub-saharan populations that mostly have Eurasian origin R1b lineages due to ancient "back migration" to Africa, but basically no other Eurasian ancestry overall. Even if Ramesses III really did have a sub-saharan ancestor perhaps thousands of years earlier, claiming that the haplogroup means he was "black" as some have done is completely absurd.

To put this simply: the modern human species originated in eastern Africa. Ramesses III had an ancestor who probably lived in eastern Africa about 40 thousand years ago. So did Adolf Hitler. It doesn't mean either of them are black people. It doesn't even mean their ancestors were black people as understood today.


Secondly, regarding the art.

The Egyptians had certain conservative artistic conventions that lasted for millennia, and their art was generally not very realistic in the sense of accurately depicting people's appearance. One artistic convention that was shared with for example the Greeks and partly other Mediterranean cultures was to usually depict men with suntanned "bronzed" skin and women often as untanned or pale. The bronzed skin was also a symbol of masculinity and activity, which is why the neighboring Libyan and Levantine men were pejoratively depicted as "pale" as as sign of "effeminacy" even though they would of course have been heavily suntanned in reality. There are also other examples of symbolic uses of "skin color" in Egyptian art. It's ignorant to claim that the red and brown colors used in Egyptian art are an accurate depiction of the people's natural skin color.

Egyptian art [artincontext.org]

Minoan art [images.fineartamerica.com]

Greek art [images.metmuseum.org]

Etruscan art [classicalwisdom.com]

Roman art [www.renegadetribune.com]

Regarding the historical artistic depictions of Ramesses III, he was in no way depicted as looking like a "black african". Here's my favorite depiction [www.gnosticwarrior.com]

Mummy side [1.bp.blogspot.com]

Mummy front [1.bp.blogspot.com]

Mummy full [i.pinimg.com]

[SAPPER DADDY]

Their where African roman Citizens i feel like if CA would had an African on the cover of Rome 2 y'all would ♥♥♥♥ a cow this cover this is normal and their are Africans living in Egypt today and Arabs

[i-dot]

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Their where African roman Citizens i feel like if CA would had an African on the cover of Rome 2 y'all would ♥♥♥♥ a cow this cover this is normal and their are Africans living in Egypt today and Arabs

Egypt had and has such citizens in significant amout
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2984206281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tgg2Faxbo
but the most of Egyptians are not blacks

[i-dot]

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Genetic studies have proven that the people of ancient Egypt were almost entirely of "Near Eastern" origins, and genetically very similar to the neighboring peoples to the northeast.

please notice that the blacks of the countries neigboring Egypt look rather "Near Eastern" too (just having darker skin) than looking "Afro-American"
'coz Afro-American are from West Africa while "Near Eastern" directlty originated from East Africa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJdT6QcSbQ0

[Anti-Communist Action]

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Kinda strange, this guy looks like an African American instead of a North African Egyptian or one of the Greek looking Pharoahs from the Ptolemaic dynasty. Was this intended? Is this one of those Afro-Revisionist games?

the pharaoh in the vidoe DOES NOT afroamerican
do U wanna say that egyptians have blond hair & blue eyes?

No, but because Egypt is of the Ptolmaic dynasty ruling class, Ptolmy was Macedonian...

[Sul Haren]

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the pharaoh in the vidoe DOES NOT afroamerican
do U wanna say that egyptians have blond hair & blue eyes?

No, but because Egypt is of the Ptolmaic dynasty ruling class, Ptolmy was Macedonian...

This game takes place long before the Ptolemaic dynasty...

[*s*t*a*r*s*]

It seems they drew inspiration from the Stargate character Teal'c.

[xaan]

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It seems they drew inspiration from the Stargate character Teal'c.

The Key Art is very remeniscent of tha famous busts of Akhenaten and Nefertiti.
https://discoveringegypt.com/ancient-egyptian-kings-queens/akhenaten/

[TheOrangeBox]

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Because Africans didn't mix with other Africans?

They did not mix with Europeans and Native Americans, which almost all African Americans are partly.

There was a funny meme about this woman taht always campaigned for reparations for slavery, then finding out that her primary ancestors were white pilgrims and slave owners.
Most black americans are more white than black.

There wasn't such thing as 'African American' to start with and trades with Greece and the Italian peninsula was very well established. So the whole argument of 'African American' is a moot point of debating.

[SAPPER DADDY]

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Their where African roman Citizens i feel like if CA would had an African on the cover of Rome 2 y'all would ♥♥♥♥ a cow this cover this is normal and their are Africans living in Egypt today and Arabs

Egypt had and has such citizens in significant amout
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2984206281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tgg2Faxbo
but the most of Egyptians are not blacks

not true

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Their where African roman Citizens i feel like if CA would had an African on the cover of Rome 2 y'all would ♥♥♥♥ a cow this cover this is normal and their are Africans living in Egypt today and Arabs

Egypt had and has such citizens in significant amout
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2984206281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tgg2Faxbo
but the most of Egyptians are not blacks

No one said black i said African


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[SAPPER DADDY]

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please watch theses Lectures and stop trying write your own history.

[i-dot]

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No one said black i said African

U did not say "East African" which is true
while African-American = West African

[Anti-Communist Action]

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please watch theses Lectures and stop trying write your own history.

What color were the Phoenicians? olive, arabic in look closer to modern Greeks. Egyptians were olive/arabic/semitic in color. Eastern Africa would not be black, as say the kingdom of Mansa Musa, if anything they looked closer to Alexander than to Shaka Zulu. YET this does not mean that there werent black africans in Ancient egypt. Tbh the character design would be a little lighter however its fairly historical.

[Inardesco]

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It seems they drew inspiration from the Stargate character Teal'c.

Shol'va