Found a crucial bug with greek favor income

[Stavrozium]

After doing a lot of testing,
i found out that the Greeks often have much more favor income, than they should,
and this may explain why Greeks often seem so OP. (its because they often are..)

To give some context:
The Greek villagers praying at temples generate less favor,
the more villagers you have praying at temples. So diminishing returns.
With 1 villager, it is 0.1 favor income,
while with 100 villagers it is 0.019 favor/second, per villager, (displayed as 0.02)
so 19% of the base value, or a maximum of 114 favor/minute.
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Now, if you play with Zeus,
or if you get Aphrodite's "Golden Apples" upgrade,
you can increase favor income by 20%.

The problem is: this 20% does not seem to take the "diminishing returns" into account.
It looks like it is a 20% bonus on the base 0.1 favor income,
or a flat +0.02 favor/second boost, to all villagers...
(at least when you have 100 villagers, not so much with less than 100)

In other words, this means that, with 100 villagers,
you get a bonus of +120 favor/minute, or a maximum of 234 favor/minute,
while this should be a bonus of 22.8 favor/minute, or maximum 136.8 favor/minute.
In other words, with 100 villagers, the 20% bonus to favor income
effectively becomes a (+/-) 105% bonus to favor income...

With less than 100 villagers, this is less than a 105% boost,
but even with low amounts of villagers, it is still a lot more than 20%..

[Stavrozium]

I made lists of how much favor Greek villagers produce,
with and without the 20% favor income boost.
The favor income displayed on villagers is rounded up/down,
and I took the amounts of villagers where it first becomes displayed differently.
So when it is first displayed as f.e. 0.04, it is probably 0.044.
The favor/minute i got from hovering my mouse over the amount of favor, in the UI.

# of villagers => favor income displayed on villager => favor income/minute

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(without the 20% boost to favor income)

1 => 0.1/villager => 6/minute
2 => 0.09/villager => 11/minute
4 => 0.08/villager => 19/minute
6 => 0.07/villager => 25/minute
9 => 0.06/villager => 33/minute
13 => 0.05/villager => 41/minute
18 => 0.04/villager => 49/minute
30 => 0.03/villager => 62/minute
57 => 0.02/villager => 85/minute
100=> 0.02/villager => 114/minute
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(with the 20% boost to favor income)

1 => 0.12/villager => 7/minute
2 => 0.11/villager => 13/minute
3 => 0.1/villager => 18/minute
5 => 0.09/villager => 28/minute
7 => 0.08/villager => 37/minute
9 => 0.07/villager => 44/minute
13 => 0.06/villager => 57/minute
18 => 0.05/villager => 70/minute
27 => 0.04/villager => 92/minute
43 => 0.03/villager => 125/minute
83 => 0.02/villager => 202/minute
100=> 0.02/villager => 234/minute

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So, to give a few examples:

With 9 villagers, it comes 44 favor/minute, instead of 33.
That's a boost of (+/-) 33.33%, rather than 20%

With 13 villagers, it comes 57 favor/minute, instead of 41.
That's a boost of (+/-) 40%, rather than 20%

With 18 villagers, it comes 70 favor/minute, instead of 49.
That's a boost of (+/-) 42.85%, rather than 20%

As you can see, it doesn't only apply to high amounts of villagers,
even with lower (and more realistic) amounts of villagers,
this bug can already have a huge impact,
and it clearly demonstrates that it is far more than a 20% boost.

I have also tested this: the favor income per minute,
which is displayed when you hover your mouse over the amount of favor you have,
is indeed correct: 234 favor/minute does indeed result in (+/-) 4 favor/second.
So it shouldn't be a bug with the UI, but indeed a bug with the favor income itself.

The UI for villagers does not display the correct income though,
not just because the number is rounded up/down, making it very inaccurate;
but for 100 Zeus villagers, the correct number would be 0.039 (displayed as 0.04)
so the favor income display on villagers is simply incorrect, with this 20% boost.
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In any case, the question now becomes:
How do we (as the players) want the devs to fix this bug?

Do we want to keep it the same, but that it is displayed correctly,
or do we want to lower the boost to favor income,
and make it more correct, so that it is indeed a 20% boost?
Or perhaps we could completely overhaul how Greeks generate favor?

[Angel]

man you should be an insider I'm sure the devs would appreciate such extensive notes

[Stavrozium]

Originally posted by Angel:

man you should be an insider I'm sure the devs would appreciate such extensive notes

i am a modder, so i am used to doing stuff like this, for free.
I wouldnt mind getting paid for doing this though! xD

[Angel]

Originally posted by Stavrozium:

Originally posted by Angel:

man you should be an insider I'm sure the devs would appreciate such extensive notes

i am a modder, so i am used to doing stuff like this, for free.
I wouldnt mind getting paid for doing this though! xD

your talents are wasted here on the forums, you should definitely be talking to the devs

[Stavrozium]

I just posted it on the official forums. ;)

[Stavrozium]

They nerfed the Greek favor income for the redbull wololo tournament,
by making the "diminishing returns" even more pronounced.
But i assume that this bug will probably still be present, as they didnt mention it.
At the very least, they realized there is a problem with Greek favor income.

This nerf looks like this:
5 villagers: -4.6% total favor income, compared to before
25 villagers: -17.6% total favor income, compared to before

Just to be extra clear: this nerf (currently) only applies to the tournament!

[DinoMight]

this should be pinned

[Mmr.Perk]

Hi there, do the diminishing returns also work with 2 temples? So if you have 2 temples with both 5 villagers praying, is that the same as 10 villagers on 1 temple?
Thanks in advance!

[Stavrozium]

Originally posted by Mmr.Perk:

Hi there, do the diminishing returns also work with 2 temples? So if you have 2 temples with both 5 villagers praying, is that the same as 10 villagers on 1 temple?
Thanks in advance!

Yup, the amount of temples, and how many villagers each one has, does not matter.
Only the total amount of praying villagers matters, for the diminishing returns.

[FE_gmenyhart]

Thanks for your reports, we're tracking the issue with Greek Favor gathering internally.