Greeks are the Terran of AoM, ranked 1v1 is currently unplayable.

[BeefyZealot]

As long as Greeks remain in current condition, the game is completely unplayable. Tuxedos are way too OP, ALL god powers are OP, favor generation is BEYOND OP, hoplites wreck, early heroes are way too tanky, centuars are OP (Minotaur and cyclops are also way better than other tier 1 myth units), the list goes on. I bought this game for the ranked 1v1 but at this moment the game is so out of balance that it's becoming literally too infuriating to play. It's like balance was not tested in play at all before release. I just know when I queue up, my opponent is 7/10 times a greek player that turtles, quick expands and I can't do anything about it as Norse. I would say nerf the living hell out of the Greeks because even if all other factions received buffs, I still do not think current meta is fun.

[MakkaHS]

They are getting some nerfs in the next patch. Probably not enough, but a start.



Myth Units (Hades): Hitpoint Bonus decreased from 20% → 15%.
Gastraphetoros (Hades): Pierce Damage decreased from 14 → 12.
Minor Gods
Athena: Sarissa (Technology): Hoplite Attack Range decreased from +1.5 → +1.0.
Dionysus: Bronze (God Power) – Now grants less armor (improvement decreased from -50% vulnerability → -45%).

Myth Units
Minotaur (Athena): Adjusted as follows
Cost increased from 150 Gold 14 Favor → 180 Gold 15 Favor.
Pierce Armor decreased from 55% → 50%.
Cyclops (Ares): Adjusted as follows
Cost decreased from 175 Food 18 Favor → 150 Food 18 Favor.
Hack Armor increased from 30% → 40%.
Pierce Armor increased from 50% → 55%.
Hydra & Scylla (Dionysus): Now gain additional heads after inflicting the following amounts of damage
Head 2: 100 → 150
Head 3: 400 → 500
Head 4: 800 → 1250
Head 5: 1600 → 2500
Chimera (Artemis): Adjusted as follows
Hitpoints decreased from 800 → 700.
Special Attack Divine Damage decreased from 30 → 20.
Special Attack now inflicts 0.25x damage vs Heroes.

Human Units
Toxotes: Train Time increased from 12 → 15 seconds.
Peltast: Cost increased from 60W 20G → 70W 20G.
Peltast: Train Time increased from 9 → 10 seconds.
Hypaspist: Rate of Fire (attack speed) slowed down from 1.1 → 1.2 seconds for each attack
Helepolis: Hitpoints decreased from 650 → 600.
Petrobolos: Damage bonus vs Ships increased from 1.0x to 2.5x
Pentekonter: Hitpoints increased from 330 → 350.

[BeefyZealot]

Hey, where did u get this? I agree thats a start but not nearly enough. The training time on tuxados is hardly a nerf considering most greek players just turtle anyway till age 3 so that they have that bronze god power. I think getting rid of that toxic bow upgrade on them or nerfing it slightly and decreasing their attack speed would have been better.

[MakkaHS]

You can find the notes here - https://www.ageofempires.com/news/age-of-mythology-retold-update-17-27932/

[AltF4z]

if you can't beat them , join them...just become a greek player

btw norse are also broken as hell just camp and wonder and spam wolf spell

[Umbra]

Originally posted by AltF4z:

if you can't beat them , join them...just become a greek player

btw norse are also broken as hell just camp and wonder and spam wolf spell

Have yet to get a game lasting that long...for that to be a problem/concern of yours is almost terrifying lol

[Duckman]

Originally posted by AltF4z:

if you can't beat them , join them...just become a greek player

btw norse are also broken as hell just camp and wonder and spam wolf spell

Greeks are Worse, just camp and spam vaults so you dont need villagers. Wolf spell is useless against the Greek Faction. Even if you get vil kills, you cant stop the Greeks and their spells plus their units are better at early game than Norse. What the Greek Players do is just spam the White Peace spell whenever a Norse Fimbulwinters, then immediately blames Odin for being in first place and booming and makes entire lobby kill Norse player, while Greek being worse (or better of) than Norse.

[inburrito]

this is true. I will probably play Baldurs Gate for a couple of months until it is fixed. Everyone chooses greeks for a reason. Its not some lofty preference. Its because Greeks melt everything

[inburrito]

Originally posted by AltF4z:

if you can't beat them , join them...just become a greek player

btw norse are also broken as hell just camp and wonder and spam wolf spell

Thats nice, join the meta. That is lame as ♥♥♥♥

[Tanagram]

"bought for the ranked 1v1"

dude AOM is an amazing game but it is just not balanced, that is fun of it. Ranked AOM sounds AWFUL. trying to "balance" AOM seems anti-fun. I want them to make sure nothing is stupidly broken but i also dont want every single god to feel equally strong, the imbalance should just be part of the game.

I also bought this game for the multiplayer but that's it. I love custom maps and special game setups like 3v3v3v3. Ranked is just too tryhard and too limited (1v1,2v2,3v3). Just play AOE2:DE or something if you need hardcore RTS ranked. This should be your blowing off steam game as far as RTS's go. And honestly if youre good enough the "balance" of a lot of stuff doesnt matter as much as just being a strong RTS player does

let aom be chill... i'd prefer not to nerf the greeks but buff everything else. I want everything to have powercreep not everything be nice and even

[BeefyZealot]

Originally posted by Tanagram:

"bought for the ranked 1v1"

dude AOM is an amazing game but it is just not balanced, that is fun of it. Ranked AOM sounds AWFUL. trying to "balance" AOM seems anti-fun. I want them to make sure nothing is stupidly broken but i also dont want every single god to feel equally strong, the imbalance should just be part of the game.

I also bought this game for the multiplayer but that's it. I love custom maps and special game setups like 3v3v3v3. Ranked is just too tryhard and too limited (1v1,2v2,3v3). Just play AOE2:DE or something if you need hardcore RTS ranked. This should be your blowing off steam game as far as RTS's go. And honestly if youre good enough the "balance" of a lot of stuff doesnt matter as much as just being a strong RTS player does

let aom be chill... i'd prefer not to nerf the greeks but buff everything else. I want everything to have powercreep not everything be nice and even

Idk wtf u r even trying to say. Any multiplayer game should strive to be balanced. U clearly are not entitled to an opinion since you do not play ranked 1v1, bye Felicia.

[BeefyZealot]

Originally posted by AltF4z:

if you can't beat them , join them...just become a greek player

btw norse are also broken as hell just camp and wonder and spam wolf spell

Just camp? Norse have the weakest defenses in the game, regardless thats not a fun play style. Greeks out camp anyone with vaults and they get catapults early... I am just going to assume u r another person that decided to chime in despite not playing any 1v1's..

[Bunnuh'Bun]

norse is generally weak vs archers. toxotes are good archers. learn to open with raiding cavalry instead of what ever you're doing now if they are an issue. as the name implies, raid the greek with your RCs. if they build hikkopen, you have an answer that only exists in retold, hirdmen. hirdmen have completely changed the norse v greek match-up in the norse' favor. Not to mention norse having the most impactful godpowers (forest fire withstanding)

[Ultimas Prime]

Originally posted by BeefyZealot:

Originally posted by Tanagram:

"bought for the ranked 1v1"

dude AOM is an amazing game but it is just not balanced, that is fun of it. Ranked AOM sounds AWFUL. trying to "balance" AOM seems anti-fun. I want them to make sure nothing is stupidly broken but i also dont want every single god to feel equally strong, the imbalance should just be part of the game.

I also bought this game for the multiplayer but that's it. I love custom maps and special game setups like 3v3v3v3. Ranked is just too tryhard and too limited (1v1,2v2,3v3). Just play AOE2:DE or something if you need hardcore RTS ranked. This should be your blowing off steam game as far as RTS's go. And honestly if youre good enough the "balance" of a lot of stuff doesnt matter as much as just being a strong RTS player does

let aom be chill... i'd prefer not to nerf the greeks but buff everything else. I want everything to have powercreep not everything be nice and even

Idk wtf u r even trying to say. Any multiplayer game should strive to be balanced. U clearly are not entitled to an opinion since you do not play ranked 1v1, bye Felicia.

For one you are actually both wrong because this game is actually very balanced for the amount of freedom it gives you to build civs almost anyway you want considering it literally just came out a week ago, and what is with this low elo elitism BeefyZealot? Your only at around 1007 elo right now which in most games would mean that you are bronze or maybe even iron, and even if you were a higher elo that still does not give you right to bully others. In my experience lower elos were usually the most vocal because they thought they were right and were adamant about knowing how to play the game and refused to learn which is why they were stuck in bronze and iron. Take it from someone who has played with both. The only thing separating high elo from low elo is the effort and time that they put into learning the game and their practice and knowledge of the games mechanics. If you really want to get good at the game then read the tech trees and play a few games with infinite resources with a standard ai and pay attention to gather speed rates, unit stats and bonuses, special abilities, god power functionality, and costs for upgrades and army composition. With this game in particular there are a ton of hidden stats that are not listed that makes some units crazy strong even though they are rarely picked because myth units in this game get a 20% to health, attack, and heal rate for each age after you obtain them until the wonder age where most of their total stats are doubled. Looking at pros videos are also a good idea because they have done this as well and will find strategies that you have missed, but they still will have looked over alot of things because the game is new, is very hard to play well, and has a ton of hidden mechanics. Everyone still has a voice regardless of their elo. Whenever I played league I had friends who I played ranked with that were both master and iron and it never ceased to amaze me that it was always the bronze and irons that raged the most. For that reason I played most of my games with silvers, golds, other platinums, and masters until they reached challenger. All of the low elos I have seen that wanted to get better and the game and learn always got better as long as they were not know it alls and put in the time and effort. By the way it is completely fine if anyone wants to stay low elo. This is just a good game and there is way more to life than games.

[Ultimas Prime]

The win rates for all civs are around 55 to 44 percent. Sure they could balance them a little better, but for a new game that is an incredible feat.

[Ultimas Prime]

Also greeks are not op at all; although, Poseidon does need a nerf right now since he is crazy strong with the highest winrate of 55.93 across all elos and 54.05 in above 1300 elo. Both Hades and Zeus are kind of weak right now though. The devs nerfed them too much in the last patch, and honestly I think Zeus was balanced before but maybe I am overlooking something.