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So we know currently odin is a bit on the lower end.
but loki is defs better then thor
thor has a better early game then feryr
but feryr has a way better late game.
Mystic age is.
Wonder is very late game and doesn't matter because most matches will not get to that point.
Classic = early
Heroic = mid
Mystic = late.
I play norse and atleantean
Do you not understand how investment works? Using the 500 to get a big advantage earlier on so you can scale better in the mid game and take map control.
Or would you rather be able to turtle a little longer and panic use the mine when its worth 1000 instead when youre being pushed in at 7 minutes.
If you hit heroic you shouldn't even need the mine at that point because you would have some sort of map control.
Thats just the thing: it does NOT provide the most advantage in age 1.
All this really does, is make it so that you dont have to build an ox cart in age 1,
so that you can age up a bit faster; for rushing. Thats it.
Thor's GP is literally designed specifically to give "the most advantage" in later ages...
Getting 1000 gold from it is still better than only getting 500 gold...
Not to mention the tactical advantage, of being able to use it, (without favor cost)
when your outer gold mines are being raided, allowing you to keep mining gold..
Using Thor's GP in age 1 is an old Thor rush build, from EE/Voobly. Its the old meta;
veteran AoM players kept doing it in retold, and newer players copied it.
But this wasnt the only build Thor ever had... It was simply the most popular.
(because rushing was/is more popular with the Norse, as they have weaker defence)
And since Thor has changed quite a bit, along with general game mechanics,
using it in age 1 is no longer necessary, and ill explain/show to you, why this is the case.
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You can now use a technique called "herding", with the berserk, and/or a villager,
(meaning that you attack huntable animals once, so that they move towards your TC)
and this way you can use your ox cart for your (standard) gold mine in age 1.
So you no longer have to waste Thor's GP, while having practically the same outcome.
It does require quite a bit of micro/practice, but its simply worth it.
On some maps, you start with bigger animals, but less of them, (like f.e. giraffes)
and/or you start with aggressive huntable animals, that run towards the attacker;
so both of these are much easier to micro, than f.e. deer.
"Herding" is new to AoM:Retold, this wasnt possible in previous versions of the game.
It is possible now, because you now start with huntable animals right next to your TC,
and non-aggressive animals now run away in the exact opposite direction, when attacked.
(the "herding" mechanic also exists in f.e. AoE3; and its becoming the new meta in AoM:R)
Here is a Boit video, where he demonstrates "herding".
He does use Thor's GP in age 1, (out of habit, i guess)
but he explains why it is not necessary.
(and why it is better to save it for later ages)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq2MC5c26UY&ab_channel=BoitT.V
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The Dwarven Mine GP doesnt just contain more gold in later ages.
It is also harvested faster during later ages: (this is also new to retold, afaik)
at a rate of 0% / +10% / +25% / +50% / +75% faster (for ages 1/2/3/4/5)
This is why Thor's GP is so powerful when combined with a wonder.
(and these bonuses stack with the dwarf's fast gold gather speed, +upgrades)
So Thor's GP can give you a big boost in gold income, especially in later ages;
similar to Isis' prosperity GP, but arguably stronger, and a bit more expensive to recast.
(the 2nd use is 60 favor for both, but the added recast cost is higher with Thor's GP)
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TLDR: the pros already came up with a better build order for Thor, without the GP in age 1,
and Thor's GP has been made ever more useful in later ages, compared to EE.
So please, for the love of the Aesir and the Vanir...
Stop telling people that using Thor's GP in age 1 is the "best" way to use it...
Because it simply isnt, and it never really was...
he's a caster.
2. Watch Red Bull Wololo and see 90% of thor's use it age 1.
The only one who didnt lost STUPIDLY bad.
Once again, Theres no situation in where you will use that godpower pass age 2 where you haven't already lost.
He even stated that he might have a better time in the classic age saving it
Meaning he has no plan to use it in age 3 or 4.
You should actually play ranked and quick matches as thor, And learn why this isn't a good build order.
Boit also claims gaia isn't underpowered
To spite her having a HORRID winrate.
Sigh...
I show you a new way to do the exact same build order,
(a way that was never possible in earlier versions of the game)
without wasting Thor's GP in age 1, allowing you to save it for later ages,
where it becomes a lot more useful, in multiple ways, (YES EVEN IN CLASSICAL AGE)
and even though this build order does need more polishing, it is perfectly valid.
I have already tested and practised it, and it works perfectly fine;
you can have the exact same amount of villagers/income,
and the same age up timings, the only real difference is that you dont waste a GP.
All you did here, is just completely ignore EVERYTHING i said,
you misrepresented 1 thing that Boit said in the video, (cherry picking + strawman)
while dismissing Boit (and myself) with multiple irrelevant ad hominem attacks.
Meanwhile, you just kept repeating the same old refuted claim..
In short: you have nothing useful to add to the conversation,
and i already warned you before, to stop using ad hominems.
Having a rational conversation with you is apparently impossible.
Were done here.
Dude you can say things
but in practice it doesn't work
you would know if you played ranked.
you spend more time posting here then actually playing the game
There's zero chance you could execute a build order well if you haven't practiced it.
It does work in practice, i just told you, i already practised it.
This has nothing to do with playing ranked or not,
the BUILD ORDER works exactly the same way,
with the same amount of villagers, the same age up timings.
YET ANOTHER AD HOMINEM
blocking you now
2. Good.
It does have to do with ranked, because in competitive play these build orders are inferior to age 1 Dwarf mine.
You clearly don't understand what the butterfly effect is