Why did they remove Hathor?

[Soft-Hands]

Why did they replace Hathor with Sobek (Hathor)? Seriously, it's a head-scratcher. There are multiple other fertility deities present, they even added one for the Norse (honestly I didn't know they even had one), so why did the Egyptian one get cut? What was wrong with Mediterranean Cow-Mommy? And why append Sobek's name with (Hathor) in parentheses? It makes the decision to remove her all the more noticeable.

[Rhacius]

I mean it made no sense that Hathor's myth unit were laser crocodiles titled sons of sobek. Similarly the god power was a bad fit for her as well.
if you really need cow mommy back I suggest being patient, there is a not insignificant chance they bring hathor back with the 4th egyptian god, which is likely already in development.

[Dionysos]

Many gods and myth units made no sense in vanilla. I mean Dionysos and Hydra for example. I wish retold would have switched those with Hyperions Satyrs.

[Soft-Hands]

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

And why append Sobek's name with (Hathor) in parentheses?

But that still doesn't explain this.

And I'd accept, even encourage, making things more accurate to actual mythology. But I don't think removing characters/mechanics entirely is a good way of doing that. Not to mention, if that's the goal, why turn Gaia into fungus-covered She-Groot? Not exactly more in line with her classical depictions.

[Dionysos]

I have a theory btw. which explains it too me. In some traditions Hathor and Sachmet are considered to be two sides of one and the same god, like Parvati and Durga for example. If you want to see it from such a perspective ... We got the goddess twice, even though in her mild form on the one site and her wild form on the other. Still, that might explains why they decided for Sobek. Ooooor they just copy ideas and stuff from mods they saw. Like from the AoW mod here and there. o.O

[Soft-Hands]

Originally posted by Dionysos:

I have a theory btw. which explains it too me. In some traditions Hathor and Sachmet are considered to be two sides of one and the same god, like Parvati and Durga for example. If you want to see it from such a perspective ... We got the goddess twice, even though in her mild form on the one site and her wild form on the other. Still, that might explains why they decided for Sobek. Ooooor they just copy ideas and stuff from mods they saw. Like from the AoW mod here and there. o.O

I have a feeling you've put far more thought into this than the majority of Western game devs ever could or would. Many would probably think 'Parvati' is a type of Italian cheese.

[Merethys]

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

And why append Sobek's name with (Hathor) in parentheses?

But that still doesn't explain this.

Some people might be using the legacy portraits. So those will still have Hathor in that spot.

[Ry]

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

And why append Sobek's name with (Hathor) in parentheses?

But that still doesn't explain this.

And I'd accept, even encourage, making things more accurate to actual mythology. But I don't think removing characters/mechanics entirely is a good way of doing that. Not to mention, if that's the goal, why turn Gaia into fungus-covered She-Groot? Not exactly more in line with her classical depictions.

You have a point

[Ry]

Originally posted by Dionysos:

I have a theory btw. which explains it too me. In some traditions Hathor and Sachmet are considered to be two sides of one and the same god, like Parvati and Durga for example. If you want to see it from such a perspective ... We got the goddess twice, even though in her mild form on the one site and her wild form on the other. Still, that might explains why they decided for Sobek. Ooooor they just copy ideas and stuff from mods they saw. Like from the AoW mod here and there. o.O

While they're two sides of the same coin, they're also entirely different people much like Ra, Amon, and Amon-Ra

And like Typhon, Set, and Typhon-Set or Set-Thyphon

[Monokuma]

Petsuchos was always a Sobek myth unit, Hathor made absolutely no sense. If it really bothers you that much, you can turn get the legacy portraits and Hathor will be right there again.

The name is in parenthesis because of the existence of the legacy portraits.

[Soft-Hands]

Originally posted by Monokuma:

Petsuchos was always a Sobek myth unit, Hathor made absolutely no sense. If it really bothers you that much, you can turn get the legacy portraits and Hathor will be right there again.

The name is in parenthesis because of the existence of the legacy portraits.

Look, can you blame me for finding it irksome at a glance? This was sold as an updated remaster of a classic, and yet so far I've run into more than a few unnecessary changes that make it seem like 'updated' meant 'updated for a modern audience'. Gaia's a hideous fungus-riddled neuter, the Ulfsarks are now 80% women for some reason, there's no skulls or bones or blood so as to not offend our Chinese overlords; I was beginning to see a very clear pattern.

It's been many years since I played the original, and I'd forgotten the inconsistencies with Hathor's techs and units. So when I noticed another goddess had not just been de-gendered but outright erased, it should be understandable that I might jump to very reasonable conclusions, no?

[Monokuma]

Gaia's been made a dryad, and if they were changing it because of a "modern audience", they would have censored the legacy portraits. But they're unmodified aside from getting a quality pass.

Not everything is related to culture war brainrot.

[Soft-Hands]

Originally posted by Monokuma:

Gaia's been made a dryad, and if they were changing it because of a "modern audience", they would have censored the legacy portraits. But they're unmodified aside from getting a quality pass.

Not everything is related to culture war brainrot.

A really ugly dryad, when she was never depicted like that in Greek myth. And the legacy portraits that are just crummy AI-upscales locked behind a paywall?

And do you have an explanation for the removal of all blood, gore, and visible bones? Or the strange decision to make the Ulfsarks gender diverse? Seriously, I'd really like to be wrong about this.

If it's not culture war brainrot, why make these changes that seem so rotbrained?

[Dionysos]

Legacy potraits are not upscaled, but img to img ai for sure plus ai extended.
And the changes are just ... pretend like they did anything more than just pretty looks. They did amateur work, not gonna lie. The changes are unnessecary, they used not workin ai for sounds images and translation, and then they sold a 20 years old game and pretend like here it is and it is also something "new" and "fresh". Which its not. Its just lazy und bad decision making. Maybe bad devs behind it in charge. I suppose.

[Monokuma]

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

Or the strange decision to make the Ulfsarks gender diverse?

Norse gatherers come in both male and female, and have always been able to turn into Ulfsarks (renamed Berserkers). It's for consistency.

Aside from skeleton redesigns which I do genuinely believe were for cultural sensitivity issues with China, corpse decay + blood removal can be an optimization thing. It's been missing from all the AoXDEs.

[Ry]

Originally posted by Soft-Hands:

Originally posted by Monokuma:

Petsuchos was always a Sobek myth unit, Hathor made absolutely no sense. If it really bothers you that much, you can turn get the legacy portraits and Hathor will be right there again.

The name is in parenthesis because of the existence of the legacy portraits.

Look, can you blame me for finding it irksome at a glance? This was sold as an updated remaster of a classic, and yet so far I've run into more than a few unnecessary changes that make it seem like 'updated' meant 'updated for a modern audience'. Gaia's a hideous fungus-riddled neuter, the Ulfsarks are now 80% women for some reason, there's no skulls or bones or blood so as to not offend our Chinese overlords; I was beginning to see a very clear pattern.

It's been many years since I played the original, and I'd forgotten the inconsistencies with Hathor's techs and units. So when I noticed another goddess had not just been de-gendered but outright erased, it should be understandable that I might jump to very reasonable conclusions, no?

Okay. I'm calling it. Flag on the field, Red Card.

You're being weird. Like weirdly hostile against China and Women.