Worst God Power?

[David McMurdo]

You're right, it is Leto's "Spider Lair". I've never seen it do one useful thing in two decades and this remake has not changed that situation.

[Biggus Dickus]

Lol I think I'd have to agree. Pretty underwhelming god power. Maybe not useless but could be buffed a bit to make it comparable to its peers.

[Sammy]

It has less eggs than the original I believe.

[Dionysos]

Ptahs god power in game for now. It doesnt work in retold. It does nothing. Must be a bug.

[Stavrozium]

Originalmente postado por Dionysos:

Ptahs god power in game for now. It doesnt work in retold. It does nothing. Must be a bug.

I have seen multiple youtube videos where people use Ptah's GP.
I have seen someone else use it against me, and have used it myself.
It is currently one of the best god powers in the game..
Are you sure you used it correctly? If so, perhaps try verifying game files?

Leto's GP is indeed quite weak, but it is also incredibly cheap to recast.
It was always a bit underwhelming, but the fact that you can keep casting it,
means that you can essentially make huge minefields, especially if you have a wonder.
Making it stronger could make it too OP, but perhaps a 4th and/or 5th egg could be added,
when it is used in the later ages. (just like how some other GPs become stronger with ages)

I personally find Oceanus' Carnivora GP the weakest. More often than not,
it is killed before it can even do any damage, and is countered very easily, by archers...
(at least with the spider eggs, you can kill a few units with it, when used correctly)

[clstnilo]

I don't understand what they do to Gaia...... What is the use of 2 hero villagers at start of game if a hero villager can not kill a myth unit (I tried). The eco is TERRIBLE......what did they do...Gaia used to have good eco.....the god powers are totally useless, and it is almost impossible to gain favor.......I am not even talking about the military units which seem weaker than ever before.....

[DesertRose92]

Hero Citizen gather 10% faster.

But yeah, Atlanteans as a whole feel weak and awkward to play.

[Diavkha]

There are a lot of god powers that are very situational and maybe aren't even worth spending the favor on after one use.

I feel like some god powers need to be re balanced or re worked entirely.

[Stavrozium]

Originalmente postado por DesertRose92:

Hero Citizen gather 10% faster.

But yeah, Atlanteans as a whole feel weak and awkward to play.

i have been working on a mod, so i am often looking at the files.
In my mod, i am already buffing Atlanteans quite a bit;
and i have been overhauling the economy in general.
On the other hand, in EE Atlanteans were often considered overpowered,
so i do think that a few nerfs here and there were needed..
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I think the reason why the Atlanteans seem underpowered,
is because their citizens now gather resources slower than the other factions,
relatively speaking: they cost x2 pop and total resources,
but only get x1.5 base gather rates, compared to Greeks.
(Norse/Egyptian villager gather rates are a bit lower though)
For the citizen heroes it is x1.65 base gather rate; not including upgrades.
In the original and EE, they they costed x3 resources/pop,
and had about x2.3 gather rates, so in comparison, that would be +/- x1.6 in retold.
Citizen Heroes in EE also had around +10% gather rates, just like in retold.

So the Atlanteans do have worse economy, but it does build up quicker now,
as they are also trained faster now, so this may balance things out,
at least in early game... I have seen 1 youtube video of a pro player using Kronos,
and even though he won, (mostly because the other player made big mistakes)
he was clearly struggling in early game, with his economy...

In my mod, i already changed the gather rates to x1.6,
and x2 for citizen heroes. (compared to Greek villagers)
Keep in mind that they dont have to drop off resources,
which does matter, so citizen heroes will be better compared to other factions.
I still have to do more testing, to see if this is balanced...
Citizen Heroes may become OP this way, (they now get +25% gather rate)
but since Atlanteans have very expensive heroes, (they do cost less pop now)
and getting citizen heroes is also expensive, i feel like this should be balanced...
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Another reason is probably because of Oracles.
They need to be spaced out, and have full vision,
and their vision radius cannot overlap with other Oracles,
otherwise they wont gather favor at 100%.
Some people apparently dont realize this.. (even though it is mentioned in the tutorials)
if you dont do this, then they do indeed not produce any favor...
But if you do, they can produce favor at about the same rates as Egyptians.

However, doing so also makes Oracles extremely vulnerable,
as you cant defend them as easily as monuments and Greek temples.
It also makes it so that you constantly have to keep an eye on them,
even while they are scattered across the map, which requires more APM.
My suggestion would be to try to hide them as much as possible.
Then you also need to make them into heroes, to get the max favor income,
which can be a serious investment for a small boost in favor income;
and although the total cost is comparable to monuments,
since they are more vulnerable, and get killed more often, the cost increases quickly..

In my mod, i was thinking of changing their build limit to 5, (from 10)
while also doubling their favor gather rates, and/or add another form of favor income.
This would make it easier to defend them, and require less "APM upkeep",
but it would also make their favor income cheaper compared to Egyptians,
hence why i am thinking of adding another form of favor income.
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PS my apologies for the wall of text,
and for the fact that this may not be the best place for this.
But i do hope that it was helpful.. :)

[リアンダ]

Locusts

[LORDxLUBU]

Originalmente postado por ShakingZealot:

Locusts

it should really be tier 1 god power

[Stavrozium]

Originalmente postado por LORDxLUBU:

Originalmente postado por ShakingZealot:

Locusts

it should really be tier 1 god power

Locusts is a pretty good GP? it is primarily meant to use against farms,
rather than units, making its use more situational. (as a base harassment tool)
It deals bonus damage vs farms, but it does have low damage vs everything else.
But at least i CAN now damage units, which it couldnt before,
in the original game and EE, so locust swarm actually got a big buff in retold.

[jonoliveira12]

Leto's GP is weak, but spammable, it costs very little Favour to recast, recharges quickly, and you can layer an area with enough Spiders that the opponent will lose a lot of troops if he attacks.

[Monokuma]

Spider lair is an anti-rush god power, it's obviously going to stop being useful when military proper is involved.

[DesertRose92]

Originalmente postado por Stavrozium:

On the other hand, in EE Atlanteans were often considered overpowered,

Only Oranos. The rest were general considered weak.

I think the reason why the Atlanteans seem underpowered,
is because their citizens now gather resources slower than the other factions,
relatively speaking: they cost x2 pop and total resources,
but only get x1.5 base gather rates, compared to Greeks.
(Norse/Egyptian villager gather rates are a bit lower though)

I think Food is even just x.1.0 base.
At least it feels like Atlanteans Food eco is abysmal.



My main reason why Atlanteans feel so awkward to play is that in Classical Age they have 1 unit in the Barracks and 3 units in the Counter Barracks. In the Heroic Age you have 3 units in the Barracks, and all feel superior to the alternatives in the Counter Barracks.

I would like to see it changed to Murmillo plus Arcus and Katapeltes + Turma in the Classical Age. That way you could play either Murmillo + Turma or Katapeltes + Arcus.

[リアンダ]

Originalmente postado por Stavrozium:

Originalmente postado por LORDxLUBU:

it should really be tier 1 god power

Locusts is a pretty good GP? it is primarily meant to use against farms,
rather than units, making its use more situational. (as a base harassment tool)
It deals bonus damage vs farms, but it does have low damage vs everything else.
But at least i CAN now damage units, which it couldnt before,
in the original game and EE, so locust swarm actually got a big buff in retold.

I think given it's a tier 3 spell it should be much more damaging than destoying 3-4 farms if you land a good hit. But it's a tier 3 spell. It has to compete with the likes of bronze skin, flaming weapons, ancestors, etc. Personally I think locusts should work on farms like forest fire works on a treeline making locusts the bane of large, interconnected patches of farms. Would also be fun to see professional players strategically delete farms in order to prevent the locusts from spreading. But yeah, currently locusts is a bit of a meme spell tbh.