Remove military autoqueue ban

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

AOM needs to remove military autoqueue banning. It was only done to appease the AoE crowd and they all left the game anyways. It's just unnecessary gatekeeping in ranked. It's like if AoM Retold banned controller users because they have villager autoqueue

[Cryptic]

Personally, I'm glad that isn't in ranked. It's an rts. Part of it is managing your economy and your units and your base. I feel like that kind of takes a lot of it away and it just relies on the computer to do it too much. It doesn't feel like it fits in a competitive environment to me. But that's just my opinion of course

If you are just relying on the computer to do all the tedious stuff for you, you ought to just play an idler game at that point. There's a difference between using hotkeys and such as to just telling the computer to take care of it all for you so you can focus elsewhere. I understand it's fine if everybody gets the same capability, but I still just feel like it doesn't really belong in ranked

Also do you have the game on a separate platform? I noticed you don't have it here so is this preventing you from purchasing the game? I saw one guy raging who got banned, but he was saying he was going to refund the game and quit out of every single match until it allowed him to do that

[kkgobkk]

I agree with op, i'm just too used to the autoqueue to play without it, but tbf it's not that big of a deal, i'll just stick to quick matches

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Personally, I'm glad that isn't in ranked. It's an rts. Part of it is managing your economy and your units and your base. I feel like that kind of takes a lot of it away and it just relies on the computer to do it too much. It doesn't feel like it fits in a competitive environment to me. But that's just my opinion of course

If you are just relying on the computer to do all the tedious stuff for you, you ought to just play an idler game at that point. There's a difference between using hotkeys and such as to just telling the computer to take care of it all for you so you can focus elsewhere. I understand it's fine if everybody gets the same capability, but I still just feel like it doesn't really belong in ranked

Also do you have the game on a separate platform? I noticed you don't have it here so is this preventing you from purchasing the game? I saw one guy raging who got banned, but he was saying he was going to refund the game and quit out of every single match until it allowed him to do that

In Tekken you are not banned from using the auto-combo button where you spam square to get a free easy combo in ranked, and yet nobody uses it at the top ranks of the game. It would be the same here so just make it player preference and stop the gatekeeping. AoM isn't like AoE. There is way more ♥♥♥♥ going on and more aggression and more everything. All auto queue really does is just let normal people able to handle all of it, despite the insane knowledge check the game already requires.

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Personally, I'm glad that isn't in ranked. It's an rts. Part of it is managing your economy and your units and your base. I feel like that kind of takes a lot of it away and it just relies on the computer to do it too much. It doesn't feel like it fits in a competitive environment to me. But that's just my opinion of course

If you are just relying on the computer to do all the tedious stuff for you, you ought to just play an idler game at that point. There's a difference between using hotkeys and such as to just telling the computer to take care of it all for you so you can focus elsewhere. I understand it's fine if everybody gets the same capability, but I still just feel like it doesn't really belong in ranked

Also do you have the game on a separate platform? I noticed you don't have it here so is this preventing you from purchasing the game? I saw one guy raging who got banned, but he was saying he was going to refund the game and quit out of every single match until it allowed him to do that

I'm not buying the game until it lets you play ranked the way I want to play ranked. This is coming from an AoE player so it's not like I can't handle RTS games. AoM in particular isn't like normal RTS games when it comes to the level of micro it requires.

[Androme]

Completely agreed. I refunded my pre-purchase of the Premium edition when I saw that they were not having military AQ enabled by default. There's no reason to remove it from ranked.

If the competitive players don't want it, they can turn it off in their custom games during their tournaments.

But we who like to play ranked want military autoqueue.

[Something]

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Personally, I'm glad that isn't in ranked. It's an rts. Part of it is managing your economy and your units and your base. I feel like that kind of takes a lot of it away and it just relies on the computer to do it too much. It doesn't feel like it fits in a competitive environment to me. But that's just my opinion of course

If you are just relying on the computer to do all the tedious stuff for you, you ought to just play an idler game at that point. There's a difference between using hotkeys and such as to just telling the computer to take care of it all for you so you can focus elsewhere. I understand it's fine if everybody gets the same capability, but I still just feel like it doesn't really belong in ranked

Also do you have the game on a separate platform? I noticed you don't have it here so is this preventing you from purchasing the game? I saw one guy raging who got banned, but he was saying he was going to refund the game and quit out of every single match until it allowed him to do that

I'm not buying the game until it lets you play ranked the way I want to play ranked. This is coming from an AoE player so it's not like I can't handle RTS games. AoM in particular isn't like normal RTS games when it comes to the level of micro it requires.

So you want to play ranked casually then? Yeah not gonna happen. Ranked requires you know what you're doing. Part of that skill of knowing what you're doing is knowing how to manage your resources properly. And it's a toggleable option. If you toggle ban military autoqueue off and you aren't finding matches, sounds like most of the community doesn't agree with you. I normally don't say this but it sounds like it's justified in this case.

Git gud.

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Mushman:

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

I'm not buying the game until it lets you play ranked the way I want to play ranked. This is coming from an AoE player so it's not like I can't handle RTS games. AoM in particular isn't like normal RTS games when it comes to the level of micro it requires.

So you want to play ranked casually then? Yeah not gonna happen. Ranked requires you know what you're doing. Part of that skill of knowing what you're doing is knowing how to manage your resources properly. And it's a toggleable option. If you toggle ban military autoqueue off and you aren't finding matches, sounds like most of the community doesn't agree with you. I normally don't say this but it sounds like it's justified in this case.

Git gud.

"Ranked requires you to know what you're doing" and "Forcing someone to add unnecessary micro for the sake of gatekeeping" isn't the same thing in the slightest, especially since there are no defensive playstyles in AoM. Aggression comes right out of the gate.

My solution? Don't buy the game.

[Androme]

Originally posted by Mushman:

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

I'm not buying the game until it lets you play ranked the way I want to play ranked. This is coming from an AoE player so it's not like I can't handle RTS games. AoM in particular isn't like normal RTS games when it comes to the level of micro it requires.

So you want to play ranked casually then? Yeah not gonna happen. Ranked requires you know what you're doing. Part of that skill of knowing what you're doing is knowing how to manage your resources properly. And it's a toggleable option. If you toggle ban military autoqueue off and you aren't finding matches, sounds like most of the community doesn't agree with you. I normally don't say this but it sounds like it's justified in this case.

Git gud.

You're not part of the AoM community, you're a AOE2 fanboy who is trying to push for Retold to become more like AOE2.

Military AQ has been a part of ranked AoM for over two decades. It belongs in ranked.

[Something]

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

Originally posted by Mushman:

So you want to play ranked casually then? Yeah not gonna happen. Ranked requires you know what you're doing. Part of that skill of knowing what you're doing is knowing how to manage your resources properly. And it's a toggleable option. If you toggle ban military autoqueue off and you aren't finding matches, sounds like most of the community doesn't agree with you. I normally don't say this but it sounds like it's justified in this case.

Git gud.

"Ranked requires you to know what you're doing" and "Forcing someone to add unnecessary micro for the sake of gatekeeping" isn't the same thing in the slightest, especially since there are no defensive playstyles in AoM. Aggression comes right out of the gate.

My solution? Don't buy the game.

It's not unnecessary micro LOL. It's very necessary macro. Making units are at the core of an RTS game. If you can't make units well your army sucks and you lose the match. It makes perfect sense that the game wouldn't do it for you in a ranked mode where it's skill vs skill. If you don't know the difference between micro and macro then you don't need to weigh in on this conversation to begin with.

You're the type of person in League of Legends who gets a level 30 account from their friend or a paid service website and immediately jumps into ranked mode having no idea how to play the game and just int the entire time because you don't even know the fundamentals.

[Androme]

Originally posted by Mushman:

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

"Ranked requires you to know what you're doing" and "Forcing someone to add unnecessary micro for the sake of gatekeeping" isn't the same thing in the slightest, especially since there are no defensive playstyles in AoM. Aggression comes right out of the gate.

My solution? Don't buy the game.

It's not unnecessary micro LOL. It's very necessary macro. Making units are at the core of an RTS game. If you can't make units well your army sucks and you lose the match. It makes perfect sense that the game wouldn't do it for you in a ranked mode where it's skill vs skill. If you don't know the difference between micro and macro then you don't need to weigh in on this conversation to begin with.

You're the type of person in League of Legends who gets a level 30 account from their friend or a paid service website and immediately jumps into ranked mode having no idea how to play the game and just int the entire time because you don't even know the fundamentals.

Military unit production is not interesting or fun, it's annoying and boring. Autoqueue makes the game more accessible and frees the players time up to focus on other, more interesting and fun aspects of the game, this is undeniable.

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Mushman:

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

"Ranked requires you to know what you're doing" and "Forcing someone to add unnecessary micro for the sake of gatekeeping" isn't the same thing in the slightest, especially since there are no defensive playstyles in AoM. Aggression comes right out of the gate.

My solution? Don't buy the game.

It's not unnecessary micro LOL. It's very necessary macro. Making units are at the core of an RTS game. If you can't make units well your army sucks and you lose the match. It makes perfect sense that the game wouldn't do it for you in a ranked mode where it's skill vs skill. If you don't know the difference between micro and macro then you don't need to weigh in on this conversation to begin with.

You're the type of person in League of Legends who gets a level 30 account from their friend or a paid service website and immediately jumps into ranked mode having no idea how to play the game and just int the entire time because you don't even know the fundamentals.

The hostility coming from you is insane, and I don't even own the game. I heard AoM has had military auto-queue for like two decades, and now they are making the game harder and somehow you're blaming old-school AoM players for this? How do you even get to that point? You refuse to admit AoM is way harder and more intensive than AoE is and yet you gate keep more. Genuinely, are you okay?

[Something]

Originally posted by Androme:

Originally posted by Mushman:

It's not unnecessary micro LOL. It's very necessary macro. Making units are at the core of an RTS game. If you can't make units well your army sucks and you lose the match. It makes perfect sense that the game wouldn't do it for you in a ranked mode where it's skill vs skill. If you don't know the difference between micro and macro then you don't need to weigh in on this conversation to begin with.

You're the type of person in League of Legends who gets a level 30 account from their friend or a paid service website and immediately jumps into ranked mode having no idea how to play the game and just int the entire time because you don't even know the fundamentals.

Military unit production is not interesting or fun, it's annoying and boring. Autoqueue makes the game more accessible and frees the players time up to focus on other, more interesting and fun aspects of the game, this is undeniable.

If you can't master the simple task of hitting a hotkey to select your military buildings, then hitting another hotkey to produce the unit you want, then how far into ranked are you going to get, really? Let's be honest here. If you can't even pull off something that basic you're not going far, and the autoqueue begins to look a lot more like a crutch than a quality of life feature.

Plus, the game even lets you toggle it so the entire argument is moot. If you wanna play against people of a similar mindset then just toggle it off. From the game itself, and I quote:

"Military Autoqueue is only allowed in ranked if ALL players switch off this option. Changing this setting doesn't guarantee you can use Military Autoqueue in the match found."

If you're playing and still getting matches where you can't autoqueue then it sounds like nobody else liked that feature and you're in the minority of players. Which loops right back around to a skill diff.

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Mushman:

Originally posted by Androme:

Military unit production is not interesting or fun, it's annoying and boring. Autoqueue makes the game more accessible and frees the players time up to focus on other, more interesting and fun aspects of the game, this is undeniable.

If you can't master the simple task of hitting a hotkey to select your military buildings, then hitting another hotkey to produce the unit you want, then how far into ranked are you going to get, really? Let's be honest here. If you can't even pull off something that basic you're not going far, and the autoqueue begins to look a lot more like a crutch than a quality of life feature.

Plus, the game even lets you toggle it so the entire argument is moot. If you wanna play against people of a similar mindset then just toggle it off. From the game itself, and I quote:

"Military Autoqueue is only allowed in ranked if ALL players switch off this option. Changing this setting doesn't guarantee you can use Military Autoqueue in the match found."

If you're playing and still getting matches where you can't autoqueue then it sounds like nobody else liked that feature and you're in the minority of players. Which loops right back around to a skill diff.

Okay then, for the same argument then remove villager autoqueue for ranked as well. If you follow your own argument, then you should be unbelievably upset that villagers are autoqueued, especially in ranked. Where is your outcry?

[๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ]

Originally posted by Mushman:

Originally posted by Androme:

Military unit production is not interesting or fun, it's annoying and boring. Autoqueue makes the game more accessible and frees the players time up to focus on other, more interesting and fun aspects of the game, this is undeniable.

If you can't master the simple task of hitting a hotkey to select your military buildings, then hitting another hotkey to produce the unit you want, then how far into ranked are you going to get, really? Let's be honest here. If you can't even pull off something that basic you're not going far, and the autoqueue begins to look a lot more like a crutch than a quality of life feature.

Plus, the game even lets you toggle it so the entire argument is moot. If you wanna play against people of a similar mindset then just toggle it off. From the game itself, and I quote:

"Military Autoqueue is only allowed in ranked if ALL players switch off this option. Changing this setting doesn't guarantee you can use Military Autoqueue in the match found."

If you're playing and still getting matches where you can't autoqueue then it sounds like nobody else liked that feature and you're in the minority of players. Which loops right back around to a skill diff.

Also, it's more like gatekeepers turn it off so they have higher win-rates, and it guarantees they won't fight someone with autoqueue for military buildings whereas if you allow the option there is no guarantee you will be able to autoqueue military buildings so there is inconsistency for players that want it and as such, now no casual AoM player is playing ranked.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by ๖คፈɬเς Ꮄน∂Ꮛ:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Personally, I'm glad that isn't in ranked. It's an rts. Part of it is managing your economy and your units and your base. I feel like that kind of takes a lot of it away and it just relies on the computer to do it too much. It doesn't feel like it fits in a competitive environment to me. But that's just my opinion of course

If you are just relying on the computer to do all the tedious stuff for you, you ought to just play an idler game at that point. There's a difference between using hotkeys and such as to just telling the computer to take care of it all for you so you can focus elsewhere. I understand it's fine if everybody gets the same capability, but I still just feel like it doesn't really belong in ranked

Also do you have the game on a separate platform? I noticed you don't have it here so is this preventing you from purchasing the game? I saw one guy raging who got banned, but he was saying he was going to refund the game and quit out of every single match until it allowed him to do that

In Tekken you are not banned from using the auto-combo button where you spam square to get a free easy combo in ranked, and yet nobody uses it at the top ranks of the game. It would be the same here so just make it player preference and stop the gatekeeping. AoM isn't like AoE. There is way more ♥♥♥♥ going on and more aggression and more everything. All auto queue really does is just let normal people able to handle all of it, despite the insane knowledge check the game already requires.

Because they're not optimal. It's not the same type of comparison at all. The auto combos are bad and just function as a way for new players to be able to do a little bit.


Please tell me how it's beneficial at high level play to click the military units yourself over auto queue'ing them? Where's the skill difference?