Tips and tricks for AOTG 3v1

[ButtahBean]

Hey all my AOM fams.
Im really struggling with doing a 3v1 scenario on arena of the gods. seems hella unfair at the start of the game and whatever i do to try and defend myself their armies combined is too much
Any tips for a terrible player to try and get better so i can beat all these levels on hard?

[Sir Protagonist]

Had some trouble myself, during 13 C (The one vs Zeus, Hades and Poseidon with the free titan gate)
What got me through was going with Freyr and mass hersir/godi. Gaia's lashing roots is pretty much a must (area attack with heroes) and Rushing tides (hero movement speed) is really nice too. Think there is a bug currently where worshipping Ullr takes the regular time and food cost but even then its worth it for the free hill forts. Turtle up, spam the free hill fort and while you don't want the titan gate to die, it has so much hit points you might as well use it as part of your early game wall somewhere. Once titan is out use it and your army to cripple or kill off the opponents one at a time, circling back to help fend off attacks from the others as they come.

I can imagine the strategy works fine on other 1v3 maps just that you're not as reliant on waiting for the titan before moving out.

[ButtahBean]

Originally posted by Sir Protagonist:

Had some trouble myself, during 13 C (The one vs Zeus, Hades and Poseidon with the free titan gate)
What got me through was going with Freyr and mass hersir/godi. Gaia's lashing roots is pretty much a must (area attack with heroes) and Rushing tides (hero movement speed) is really nice too. Think there is a bug currently where worshipping Ullr takes the regular time and food cost but even then its worth it for the free hill forts. Turtle up, spam the free hill fort and while you don't want the titan gate to die, it has so much hit points you might as well use it as part of your early game wall somewhere. Once titan is out use it and your army to cripple or kill off the opponents one at a time, circling back to help fend off attacks from the others as they come.

I can imagine the strategy works fine on other 1v3 maps just that you're not as reliant on waiting for the titan before moving out.

Awesome thanks very much for your insight. unfortunately i dont have freyr at the moment and using gaia with massing heroes. might try loki this time around and do the hersir/godi spam and just try defend until i get mass enough of a force to retaliate

[Assume I have 400 Ping]

Originally posted by ButtahBean:

Originally posted by Sir Protagonist:

Had some trouble myself, during 13 C (The one vs Zeus, Hades and Poseidon with the free titan gate)
What got me through was going with Freyr and mass hersir/godi. Gaia's lashing roots is pretty much a must (area attack with heroes) and Rushing tides (hero movement speed) is really nice too. Think there is a bug currently where worshipping Ullr takes the regular time and food cost but even then its worth it for the free hill forts. Turtle up, spam the free hill fort and while you don't want the titan gate to die, it has so much hit points you might as well use it as part of your early game wall somewhere. Once titan is out use it and your army to cripple or kill off the opponents one at a time, circling back to help fend off attacks from the others as they come.

I can imagine the strategy works fine on other 1v3 maps just that you're not as reliant on waiting for the titan before moving out.

Awesome thanks very much for your insight. unfortunately i dont have freyr at the moment and using gaia with massing heroes. might try loki this time around and do the hersir/godi spam and just try defend until i get mass enough of a force to retaliate

I just beat my first 1 vs 3, was fairly challenging but we have similar strats.

I did Gaia massing hereos for the first page more or less.
I assume you're using the ability that heroes and legends AOE on attack? Not sure if it's the same for everyone, but if it is, you got this to the Heroic (Blue) tier which is 3 range AOE.

However; actually best tip I can give you? Drop Gaia. Play Oranos.
His first Age Up lets you get faster promotions for hero units, actually clutch when you see an army approaching you can rapidly promote and go AOE them down.

Secondly, it's actually very useful to get free hero units early on your initial bodyguards. Will help with the first few early rushes without compromising economy.

Speaking of economy, he's better than Gaia too I find due to promoted villagers gathering faster. Since this is a god tech too, on maps where this is doubled your economy is insane.

Next age up is even better; hereos regenerate! Pretty huge for hero armies. And the oracles being automatic heroes is a nice touch for scouting / vision.

Lastly; general tips. I only just learnt that when you hero up human units; they're no longer human but heroes. So human Regen / Attack doesn't work. Which is what I was doing!
So I beat the 1 vs 3 with basically 2 worthless traits. I'm probably going to go with cheaper and more efficient villagers so I overwhelm with Eco / Tech advantage.

[Grimbutnotevil?]

Recommend going Thor, mass hersirs with blessings being the one that improves human unit damage, gaia splash damage and the extra resources blessing. I reccomend going for a spawn where you are in the corner and defending. You can pretty much indefinitely kill off any enemy attacks so long as you keep your eco alive as your hersirs will do insane damage and delete armies. It maybe a god idea to go for the healing spring age 2 to help keep your unit numbers up. when you get to age 4, go for fimbulwinter, then spam it with the huge amounts of favor you will have from all the killing enemies. getting a wonder is advisable to help spam. Eventually the constant fimbulwinters will trash their eco to the point you dont need to defend and you can go on the offensive. If you get the titan out early, try and take out one of the ais with it, you don't need it for defense. Thor is probably better than Freyr here btw because 1. i find your base will always get wiped by earthquake so it isn't a good idea to rely too much on those bastions, 2. you often get stuck in age 2 for longer than you'd like so being able to get lots of armoury techs makes that much less painful. And 3. dwarvan gold mine means you never need to rely on trade for gold late game so you can just defend a compact area.

I did try originally different kinds of rush, but the way the scenario is made with the instant age 2 and the ai having more resources than you, even if you do lots of damage to an ai, the other 2 will pummell you at your base when you aren't there. I don't know how people make gaia work in this situation in hardest difficulty, atlantean heros are too expensive to mass in time stop the enemy onslaught.

[Dante]

Most of the time I go with Gaia with mass distance units AOE to deal with armies + destructors for tanking / getting rid of buildings

Early you got to def a lot, it's quite challenging in last difficulty indeed

[Mr. Poopdog]

Originally posted by Grimbutnotevil?:

Recommend going Thor, mass hersirs with blessings being the one that improves human unit damage, gaia splash damage and the extra resources blessing. I reccomend going for a spawn where you are in the corner and defending. You can pretty much indefinitely kill off any enemy attacks so long as you keep your eco alive as your hersirs will do insane damage and delete armies. It maybe a god idea to go for the healing spring age 2 to help keep your unit numbers up. when you get to age 4, go for fimbulwinter, then spam it with the huge amounts of favor you will have from all the killing enemies. getting a wonder is advisable to help spam. Eventually the constant fimbulwinters will trash their eco to the point you dont need to defend and you can go on the offensive. If you get the titan out early, try and take out one of the ais with it, you don't need it for defense. Thor is probably better than Freyr here btw because 1. i find your base will always get wiped by earthquake so it isn't a good idea to rely too much on those bastions, 2. you often get stuck in age 2 for longer than you'd like so being able to get lots of armoury techs makes that much less painful. And 3. dwarvan gold mine means you never need to rely on trade for gold late game so you can just defend a compact area.

I did try originally different kinds of rush, but the way the scenario is made with the instant age 2 and the ai having more resources than you, even if you do lots of damage to an ai, the other 2 will pummell you at your base when you aren't there. I don't know how people make gaia work in this situation in hardest difficulty, atlantean heros are too expensive to mass in time stop the enemy onslaught.

wouldn't loki be better to spam free myth units as well?

[WuvWoo]

Originally posted by ButtahBean:

Hey all my AOM fams.
Any tips for a terrible player to try and get better so i can beat all these levels on hard?

Well I'm only playing on hard mode, not insane, but i have found a fun and relatively easy way to do it, especially on the world twist which respawns slain units.

-pick kronos (You pick Kronos over Oranos because the only resource trouble you'll prolly have is favor generation and Kronos can do the age 3 goddess Rheia, who gives horns of consecration)
-pick the 2 legend buffs: Isis Divine Retinue (Myth units cost less favor) and Hel's last promise (myth units do AOE damage on death). The 3rd perk can be anything but I prefer Ptah's secret tools (increased rate of resources by gatherers/workers)
-age up to prometheus
-Just spam Prometheans and win. Each promethean explodes, including the 2 mini prometheans. As your economy grows, you should be able to add more temples and just overwhelm them with sheer numbers.

[Mr. Poopdog]

Seems to be lots of RNG involved as well in the first 1v3 against all the greek gods. After multiple attempts i was doing fine with mass hersir until i got ganged with 2 earthquake's and a thunderstorm in the same minute. next match they all took plenty vault instead (still lost).

[ButtahBean]

Originally posted by Mr. Poopdog:

Seems to be lots of RNG involved as well in the first 1v3 against all the greek gods. After multiple attempts i was doing fine with mass hersir until i got ganged with 2 earthquake's and a thunderstorm in the same minute. next match they all took plenty vault instead (still lost).

Managed to beat all the 3v1 matches on AOTG with gaia. rush + boom tactics with hero aoe skill. all units i created i heroed up. and age 3 went with behemoths. game over

[Mr. Poopdog]

Originally posted by ButtahBean:

Originally posted by Mr. Poopdog:

Seems to be lots of RNG involved as well in the first 1v3 against all the greek gods. After multiple attempts i was doing fine with mass hersir until i got ganged with 2 earthquake's and a thunderstorm in the same minute. next match they all took plenty vault instead (still lost).

Managed to beat all the 3v1 matches on AOTG with gaia. rush + boom tactics with hero aoe skill. all units i created i heroed up. and age 3 went with behemoths. game over

On hard or extreme? just won my first 3v1 on extreme with loki mass hersir + fimbulwinter spam. i think what made me win in the end was just the AI choosing plenty vault instead of earthquake god power. Had to kill 5 titans

[ButtahBean]

Originally posted by Mr. Poopdog:

Originally posted by ButtahBean:

Managed to beat all the 3v1 matches on AOTG with gaia. rush + boom tactics with hero aoe skill. all units i created i heroed up. and age 3 went with behemoths. game over

On hard or extreme? just won my first 3v1 on extreme with loki mass hersir + fimbulwinter spam. i think what made me win in the end was just the AI choosing plenty vault instead of earthquake god power. Had to kill 5 titans

i was playing on hard. managed to beat it with a hero gaia build. thanks allot tho. my other choice was to go with hersir

[PortalSnipe]

Would anyone be willing to help me do the 2v4 version of this? I usually play Egyptian and I get overwhelmed way too quick to be able to really fight back. or well I lack the ability to push and defend a the same time when it comes to the sheer numbers.