Don't ever include Chinese: nor at launch or later

[Baba Zina]

Chinese civ, its gods, powers, myth units, the overall art quality, units quality (human units look the same), buildings quality are TRASH!
DON'T EVER include this civ, not at launch date not lately as any potential DLC! NO!
Oh, and I forget to say, they campaign is totally crap! Campaign story, objectives, just TEXTS are totally alien to the game. It's like a mod, but unfortunately IT'S NOT: you can download the mod and play in by yourself, but it will never appear in the multiplayer. And now in EE you are forced to PLAY with or versus this civ. It's completely breaks the feelings and mechanics that Ensemble Studious once brought to us.
I'll say more, one day I had a 'pleasure' to translate this addon into Russian (because I already did the job for the Extended Edition), god I just literally SUFFERED to translate these primitive wordings. As I person who worked with original texts I see the differences between original and Tale very well. It's not just boring, it's bad written, poor text style and primitive descriptions.

[Armilus]

They could make a DLC China civ that's completely done from scratch, not recycling anything. Adding China as if it never existed in EE, not using any references from Tale of the Dragon.
Would be basically the same effort/work as if they'd add Aztecs or Celts in a DLC. There have been two mods that add the Aztecs/replace the Chinese with them. There's also a mod that replaces Norse (I think?) with Celts.
The Devs wouldn't just copy the mods either, but make their own version of those civs for a DLC.

Would be bad PR if they did it right away, before proving themselves with other, good DLC Civs first, and referenced the Tale of the Dragon DLC. But DLC/Expansions are likely going to happen, and likely will include new Civs.
And I do think that they understand now that the quality of Tale of the Dragon was unacceptable, and that we'd rather have nothing at all than that. Given how loud we voice this already.

[DARKO]

This, it was terrible dlc.

Rather make new campaign in greek egypt or norse mythology

[Duke H. Vytantis]

+1

[bvrakvs]

Originally posted by DARKO:

This, it was terrible dlc.

Rather make new campaign in greek egypt or norse mythology

+1

China civ was a way to milk chinese gamers, a greedy rushed dlc that ruined the extended edition, hopefully there won't be such dlcs here, no new civs unless they are included in a way that complements the game without breaking existing balance between civs.

[[KeeN] Flame]

Originally posted by bvræqvete:

Originally posted by DARKO:

This, it was terrible dlc.

Rather make new campaign in greek egypt or norse mythology

+1

China civ was a way to milk chinese gamers, a greedy rushed dlc that ruined the extended edition, hopefully there won't be such dlcs here, no new civs unless they are included in a way that complements the game without breaking existing balance between civs.

Similar to how they are making a mobile game now to cater to the chinese and whales. Microsoft has sunken deep woth this one.

[[KeeN] Flame]

They could also add a few major gods and minor gods to existing civs instead. So greeks but 2 new minor gods for each age. And a new major god bonus. Id rather see that than a new civ tbh

[Reilath]

Can you people use your brains a bit? If they release the Chinese civ, they will do so in a way that they will delete the whole Chinese civ, and start building it from scratch on their own, with their own research and ideas.
The only things that they might take from the original Chinese civ is probably the gods or myth units because those are one of the most famous ones in Chinese Mythology.
You are not the only ones that hate that civ, those developers probably hate it as well, so just stop imagining Tales of the Dragon when you hear anything about the Chinese civ, it will literally be a completely different Civ if it actually releases in a dlc. That is probably why they decided to release Retold without Chinese Civ, they have to redo the whole civ and campaign and that will take too long, so instead of delaying the whole game they just decided to release it without it.

[Shephard]

+1 , bad DLC

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Shephard:

+1 , bad DLC

Agreed. Never ever wanna see that abominable fiasco amateur scam mod again.

[Armilus]

Originally posted by Reilath:

Can you people use your brains a bit? If they release the Chinese civ, they will do so in a way that they will delete the whole Chinese civ, and start building it from scratch on their own, with their own research and ideas.
The only things that they might take from the original Chinese civ is probably the gods or myth units because those are one of the most famous ones in Chinese Mythology.
You are not the only ones that hate that civ, those developers probably hate it as well, so just stop imagining Tales of the Dragon when you hear anything about the Chinese civ, it will literally be a completely different Civ if it actually releases in a dlc. That is probably why they decided to release Retold without Chinese Civ, they have to redo the whole civ and campaign and that will take too long, so instead of delaying the whole game they just decided to release it without it.

It's also better for marketing if they don't mention a Chinese civ at all until they have proven themselves with both original and new content. They know how hated Tale of the Dragon is. So if they bring it back, they'll do it with a major rework.