Suikoden 2 - Dice Mini Game

[Tokra]

So I'm trying to get Tai Ho & Yam Koo and need to win 5000 off them. However the chance rate compared to Suikoden 1 seems so far apart. I keep getting such a losing streak and end up over 30k away from winning the 5000 from them.

Anyone else noticed this or am I just having such bad luck?

[Tokra]

And luck behold, as soon as I write that and reload, I won first 2 rounds getting over the 5000 mark haha. But I feel the dice game feels off compared to S1 and RNG is worse off in the players favour.

[Ray Rook]

Originally posted by Tokra:

And luck behold, as soon as I write that and reload, I won first 2 rounds getting over the 5000 mark haha. But I feel the dice game feels off compared to S1 and RNG is worse off in the players favour.

IMO it feels more authentic in S2. S1 feels weighted heavily in the player's favor.

However, it feeling more authentic or realistic is against the player because Tai Ho goes first and won't "take the piss" as often in S2.

[Tokra]

Originally posted by Ray Rook:

Originally posted by Tokra:

And luck behold, as soon as I write that and reload, I won first 2 rounds getting over the 5000 mark haha. But I feel the dice game feels off compared to S1 and RNG is worse off in the players favour.

IMO it feels more authentic in S2. S1 feels weighted heavily in the player's favor.

However, it feeling more authentic or realistic is against the player because Tai Ho goes first and won't "take the piss" as often in S2.

This is the first time playing S2, I think I tried back in the day but I felt it didn't live up to the standards of S1 and pulling me in with the characters so think I gave up early on back in the 90's haha.

That is 1 thing that drives me nuts about the game, its always the AI going first, never the player. Does this change in other S games?

[Blank]

I wouldn't have minded if we were able to bet more than 900 at a time, but I spent a good amount of time playing dice, more than I would've liked. I've heard you can increase your luck to make it a bit easier, though.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

I hate the dice game in s1 because you basically have no agency at all. It's pure luck unless you aim outside of the cup

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD:

I hate that dice game because you basically have no agency at all. It's pure luck unless you aim outside of the cup

Wait you found a way to min-max irl dice? Go to the casino bro...

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Originally posted by Tenshu:

Originally posted by Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD:

I hate that dice game because you basically have no agency at all. It's pure luck unless you aim outside of the cup

Wait you found a way to min-max irl dice? Go to the casino bro...

It's not IRL and the only "min max" is "reset if you lose"

I only did it to recruit the characters, and then never touched it again.

[Ray Rook]

Originally posted by Tokra:

Originally posted by Ray Rook:

IMO it feels more authentic in S2. S1 feels weighted heavily in the player's favor.

However, it feeling more authentic or realistic is against the player because Tai Ho goes first and won't "take the piss" as often in S2.

This is the first time playing S2, I think I tried back in the day but I felt it didn't live up to the standards of S1 and pulling me in with the characters so think I gave up early on back in the 90's haha.

That is 1 thing that drives me nuts about the game, its always the AI going first, never the player. Does this change in other S games?

I think this is the last game that has this mini-game IIRC. I never played 5 or tactics though.

[Tokra]

Originally posted by Ray Rook:

Originally posted by Tokra:

This is the first time playing S2, I think I tried back in the day but I felt it didn't live up to the standards of S1 and pulling me in with the characters so think I gave up early on back in the 90's haha.

That is 1 thing that drives me nuts about the game, its always the AI going first, never the player. Does this change in other S games?

I think this is the last game that has this mini-game IIRC. I never played 5 or tactics though.

I think thats a good thing haha are the follow up games just as good?

[AshaMarie]

I think this dice game is in Suikoden 4 too. Yes, it's in 1, 2, and 4.

[Ray Rook]

Originally posted by Tokra:

Originally posted by Ray Rook:

I think this is the last game that has this mini-game IIRC. I never played 5 or tactics though.

I think thats a good thing haha are the follow up games just as good?

It's all subjective. Three was IMO very good. Others don't like it. It's jarring because of the way the story is presented in 3 or 4 perspectives before they converge for the last set of story beats.

I liked that they continued the optional to win fights and they felt more secret. I liked the lotto. I liked the introduction of the new races. I liked the graphics. I thought all the 3 or 4 heroes were well done. I enjoyed the little bit of character development we got for the supporting cast.

The perspective changed from Top down to more 3D, which some didn't like. The camera angles do try to hide some secrets which I don't like. The story does feel kind of rushed at the end. The music is still great. The skill system changes were also great.

For Suikoden 4, I tried playing it first and got sick from the camera and motion. So I set it aside. Then I played it again and it hooked me, but it took some dedication to get to like it. The naval combat was fun, but there was too little of it.

I always felt that by the time you get your feet under you and ready to enjoy the game, it ends. So there's potential for an enjoyable game there and the mechanics are fun, but you just never get a good chance to experience it.

The world map being a giant ocean was also a turn off.

[KONDO DEATH SQUAD]

Originally posted by Tokra:

So I'm trying to get Tai Ho & Yam Koo and need to win 5000 off them. However the chance rate compared to Suikoden 1 seems so far apart. I keep getting such a losing streak and end up over 30k away from winning the 5000 from them.

Anyone else noticed this or am I just having such bad luck?

I'm usually fairly lucky with the dice game, but I had a hell of a time getting Shiloh. Maybe its the dice physics of S2?

[Bartcheeks]

1) make sure your party is filled with the highest luck, seemed to work better for me that way

2) always savescum lol

and yes s2 gambling feels worse in comparison, but i think thats because how easy s1 was.

[Tokra]

I agree - S1 was probably too easy which is why I found it a shock haha. I always savescum dont worry!

[LoveTruffle]

I had an easier time in 2 than 1 with dice. I lost like 30 rolls in a row in 1, but it only took half that going back and forth in 2.