Clive was the worst idea they ever had.

[NewMoonShadow]

Wanted to play it "blind again" and everything was going well, until I got to the point where I wanted to look up the remaining recruits I didn't have yet and realized I missed the first Clive event all the way back in Muse and am locked out of 100%.

♥♥♥♥ Clive, and ♥♥♥♥ whoever thought Clive's recruitment quest was a good idea. He's not even a good character, get this isekai ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of my high-fantasy war-drama.

[Ray Rook]

Playing blind and expecting to get all the recruits trumps it as the worst idea.

This game has a huge roster. That's part of the "game". You're not going to 100% many games, especially turn-based JRPGs, playing blindly. You set up a bad expectation.

[NewMoonShadow]

Originally posted by Ray Rook:

Playing blind and expecting to get all the recruits trumps it as the worst idea.

This game has a huge roster. That's part of the "game". You're not going to 100% many games, especially turn-based JRPGs, playing blindly. You set up a bad expectation.

I don't try to 100% most JRPG's, because in most JRPG's 100% doesn't actually matter. And if they do, most of them don't lock required content behind missable cutscenes, and they sure as HELL don't lock them behind timers, what the ♥♥♥♥? Thank god the remaster at least lets you turn THAT off.

In any other game where 100% matters you can always go back and do the things before the "point of no return", like you could in Suikoden 1 (and I believe every future Suikoden game). This is the only game with a truly "missable" recruit.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Wanted to play it "blind again" and everything was going well, until I got to the point where I wanted to look up the remaining recruits I didn't have yet and realized I missed the first Clive event all the way back in Muse and am locked out of 100%.

♥♥♥♥ Clive, and ♥♥♥♥ whoever thought Clive's recruitment quest was a good idea. He's not even a good character, get this isekai ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of my high-fantasy war-drama.

Soooo, why did you play it blind? That's how I always play Suikoden. I missed like 20 guys my first time. Just play again WITH a guide and get everyone. They shouldn't change the game because of how you choose to play it.

[NewMoonShadow]

Originally posted by Furry Wrecking Crew:

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Wanted to play it "blind again" and everything was going well, until I got to the point where I wanted to look up the remaining recruits I didn't have yet and realized I missed the first Clive event all the way back in Muse and am locked out of 100%.

♥♥♥♥ Clive, and ♥♥♥♥ whoever thought Clive's recruitment quest was a good idea. He's not even a good character, get this isekai ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of my high-fantasy war-drama.

Soooo, why did you play it blind? That's how I always play Suikoden. I missed like 20 guys my first time. Just play again WITH a guide and get everyone. They shouldn't change the game because of how you choose to play it.

I didn't say they should change the game, I said it was a stupid idea. I know this is a novel concept for the modern age, but you can accept that a thing exists and not be happy with it.

[ColtNoir]

Boy, this sure triggered you.

Git gud. Toodles.

[Vex]

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

get this isekai ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of my high-fantasy war-drama.

Clive isn't Isekai. He's not from another world, he's from another country that developed guns as a weapon. Hell, the game even goes to lengths to explain why most guns are trash weapons, citing issues with accuracy, reload, etc... So its not as if they harm the high-fantasy aspect. I mean, considering the gun is sorta alive, they only add to it. I say that as someone who generally HATES guns in fantasy games/settings.

[Yandia]

Not sure what you are on about. Suikoden always had missable characters.
- very small recruitment window
- wrong dialog choice
- random appearance
- perma-death
This is pretty much a staple in the series like the 108 chars. I personally don't like that design, but that is apart the issue. It is like walking in a steak reasturant and complaining about the lack of vegan options.

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by Yandia:

Not sure what you are on about. Suikoden always had missable characters.
- very small recruitment window
- wrong dialog choice
- random appearance
- perma-death
This is pretty much a staple in the series like the 108 chars. I personally don't like that design, but that is apart the issue. It is like walking in a steak reasturant and complaining about the lack of vegan options.

Tbf the first game had very little point of no return bits and all the quirky recruits are detailed in the Old Books, even Clive's random appearances.
S2 is more obtuse but the Old Books list their appearances even more clearly, not sure what op is on about with isekai though. While the guns are very much new tech, the tech itself is explained in-universe.

[RobOda]

Bit hard to miss Clive, unless you're bum rushing through the game and not exploring the city tbh.

[LoveTruffle]

You can miss Clive in a way that is antithetical to the RPG genre. It's not great design, and they know it, which is why they added the ability to stop the clock.

[hopefuldeath]

Stopping the clock actually has nothing to do with getting Clive.

[BahamutXero]

Originally posted by hopefuldeath:

Stopping the clock actually has nothing to do with getting Clive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but stopping the clock was added so you can get all the scenes with Eliza right(I think that was here name, dang it's only 20+ years since I played the OG)?

[hopefuldeath]

Yes. The time-sensitive Elza Quest happens AFTER you recruit Clive and is optional.

[TwoXTwentyOne]

Originally posted by hopefuldeath:

Yes. The time-sensitive Elza Quest happens AFTER you recruit Clive and is optional.

Precisely, once you get Clive, the rest of his story has zero incidence into recruiting all 108 stars of destiny... OP is just a noob lol

[Ray Rook]

OP is correct. If you miss the first Muse event, timer or not, you miss Clive.

It's also easy to miss.

However, in a game like Suikoden, I recommend using a guide if you are the type to get upset at missing stuff.

It's my opinion that when you have a huge roster part of the game is collecting the roster. Having missables is one of the few mechanics you can have in such gameplay.