whats special about this jrpg?

[heime2003]

ive played so many jrpgs so far

[Narafian]

Diposting pertama kali oleh EasyOut:

Diposting pertama kali oleh heime2003:

ive played so many jrpgs so far

OK so the feeling of family, collecting people and growing your castle/base- and that's been done a lot now but at the time it was very new so for a lot of us this was our first base building rpg. but because there are so many characters and it usually doesn't matter who three/four of your characters are, it's also very custom. take who you want, level the ballarina for all they care (and suikoden 1 is easy enough that you don't have to use the BEST characters if you level enough)

the story is whatever, it's good, and there are some good spots, but it's Suikoden 2 that you really will have your socks blown off by (or would have back in the day.) The story is good, the minigames are really diverse (iron chef competitions and stuff) and it's just a general improvement in all ways over 1, which is why it's so expensive on the secondary market.

3 is fun and I didn't care much about 4 and 5, but suikoden 1 and 2 are a ride, especially when you get to play them one after the other.

are all 5 stories connected?

[hush]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Narafian:

Diposting pertama kali oleh EasyOut:

OK so the feeling of family, collecting people and growing your castle/base- and that's been done a lot now but at the time it was very new so for a lot of us this was our first base building rpg. but because there are so many characters and it usually doesn't matter who three/four of your characters are, it's also very custom. take who you want, level the ballarina for all they care (and suikoden 1 is easy enough that you don't have to use the BEST characters if you level enough)

the story is whatever, it's good, and there are some good spots, but it's Suikoden 2 that you really will have your socks blown off by (or would have back in the day.) The story is good, the minigames are really diverse (iron chef competitions and stuff) and it's just a general improvement in all ways over 1, which is why it's so expensive on the secondary market.

3 is fun and I didn't care much about 4 and 5, but suikoden 1 and 2 are a ride, especially when you get to play them one after the other.

are all 5 stories connected?

yes they are connected suikoden 1>2>3 for 4 and 5 they are prequels. for suikoden 5, it is set 6 years before suikoden 1 and suikoden 4 was set 150 years before suikoden 1

[StoneofTriumph]

Suikoden 1 is a good JRPG. It plays well, you don't need to grind much, it's not a complex story generally but it doesn't overstay its welcome- It's pretty easy to 100% the game in 20-30 hours (mainly on the lower end) if you know where to look.

Suikoden 2 is probably the best RPG that was on the Playstation 1.

The thing about the Suikoden games, especially 2, is that the human element is the one that matters most. In Suikoden 2 especially no one is being possessed or compelled to do all of the great or terrible things they do by some supernatural force, it all comes from within from the regular motivations of glory, honor, empathy, love, power, bloodlust, etc.

[DirtyMick]

Diposting pertama kali oleh heime2003:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Taika:

To me what stands out are the incredibly detailed sprite animation, and 108 characters that are actually unique and add stuff to your HQ and army, which you see grow over time. (Unlike most many-char games, i.e. Chrono Cross where where they actually programmed a dialect-simulator to make the exact same lines sound different for the many characters.) I also liked the (mostly) low-fantasy feeling of politics and intrigue instead of fighting deities and whatnot. Felt refreshing and more believable.

i was let down by eiyuden chronicle. that game was touted a spiritual successor of suikoden game.

Suikoden 2 is my favorite rpg of all time, and I too was let down by eiyuden chronicles. I didn't even play it much because just from the get go I didn't like it.

I don't remember suikoden 1 much, but suikoden2 was the first game to actually make me tear up a bit. The story is great. Maybe it was my first exposure to the type of story trope it is. Maybe I was just an emotional young teen, maybe even 12 years old. But it just got me at certain parts.

[MrPurple33]

I'm a Fan Of JRPGs In General, But For Me I Was Hooked With Suikoden 3 For the PS2-
I Still Have Both, and Have Replayed Suikoden 3 At Least 3 Times

I Had Suikoden 4 and the Sailing and Rune Cannons Were Interesting,
But Overall That One Was a Waste Of Time- Didn't Keep That One

Oddly 4's 'Sequel' Suikoden Tactics Was Quite Good, and I Replayed It a 2nd Time,
Still Fondly Remember Some Characters, and Am Semi-Regretting Not Keeping It

Suikoden 5 Was Pretty Good, Some Nice Characters, Good Large Battles, and Strangley
a Very Fun Fishing Mini-Game, and I Usually Dislike Fishing Games- Still Didn't Keep It

Suikoden 3 Though, Again, Is Just FABULOUS, So I'm Getting 1 and 2
To 'Complete the Original Trilogy' You Could Say- Plus I've Had Good Experiences
Revisiting Or Getting 90's JRPGs I Missed- I'm 52, So a Few Classics Fell Through the Cracks, Like Chrono Trigger, Which I Didn't Get Until 2019, Even Though I Played Chrono Cross

[BCXIIIVIIVII]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shiro:

over 100 characters to collect, more than half of which are battle capable.
6 character battle team.

a town or castle that gets rebuilt as you collect more characters which also unlock different functions or features such as minigames or shops or other utilities.

an intriguing political story (similar to game of thrones in that its very suspenseful and keeps you on the edge of your seat.

a beautiful world that in my opinion is just a perfect getaway from the brutality of reality

also the anti grind mechanic is nice, so you never really have to grind for levels.

the art was also spectacular when it first released, now it may not seem so special with the abundance of Pixel Art Games, but its still nice.

nothing really caught me in such a web of fate like Suikoden did.

Diposting pertama kali oleh heime2003:

i was let down by eiyuden chronicle. that game was touted a spiritual successor of suikoden game.

well if you never played suikoden, before playing eiyuden chronicles, thats most likely why, Eiyuden is a fine game, but if you have never played Suikoden, it may not resonate so much with you.

It does have its faults, but the biggest one being is that it really tries to feed off nostalgia for Suikoden.

This is why suikoden is special, it's all about gameplay not graphics

[Abacus]

One thing others haven't mentioned was the excellent pacing that makes the game feel like an epic anime, taking place over several arcs.

If you are a fan of JRPS. It is one of the must plays of the PS 1 Era. Along the likes of Xenogears, Crono Cross, Legend of Dragoon, and Star Ocean 2, The FF games, and Tales.

[Glory of the Snow]

artstyle and story + 100% nostalgic for us old fans

[Zero McDol]

- Army building
- Minigames
- Castle expansion as the army grows
- A story
- 6 person turn-based combat
- Map based battlefields for army combat (Suikoden 2 only)
- Turn based battlefields for army combat (Suikoden 1 only)
- Duels (Rock, Paper, Scissors style)
- Hot spring
- 107 characters to recruit
- Open world
- Runes
- Weapon level ups via the blacksmith

[Dust]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vex:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Daremo:

I love Suikoden and can't stand playing Eiyuden if it can help you in any way.

Those games do not feel the same at all, despite what it might seem.
Eiyuden is tedious in so many ways and has story and characters that don't carry much weight or charisma to me.
It just feels bland unfortunately.

One of Eiyuden's glaring issues for me was, "wasted characters."

By that, I mean characters that existed to be references to real life media. Now, I'll give a pass to mini game characters because they're obviously designed to be the way they are to play off of the games themselves, but some characters existed that had no business existing, and denied us a character that actually belonged to the setting and could've expanded on it's lore subtly.

Any of the magical girls, for example. Just the entire lot. I was pissed when I found out the big mage for the game (our Mazus/Crowley/Levi counterpart) was a magical girl. I didn't even care about the, "girl," part (they're not actually a girl, they just look and dress like one). If it were a man who dressed like Jeane or Viki, then great. It's the magical girl aesthetic which felt foreign to the setting.

Then you've got abominations like El Alicanto. A Luchador. WHY IS THERE A LUCHADOR?! There's no hint Luchadors even EXIST in the world aside from him. He's blatantly a luchador! If a group akin to luchadors exist, why not adapt them to fit in with the setting better, rather than being a blatant luchador?!

I don't even KNOW what they were aiming for with Pastole. Your trapper is a flambuoyant tight rope walker from a circus or something.

Also, the emissary of an otherworldly eldritch power is... dressed... like a construction site worker. Just... WHY?! Could you imagine if in Suikoden IV, Ted greets you when the Ghost Ship arrives, wearing a hard hat and a sleeveness white shirt?!

Stadler dresses like a RL soldier! A unfirom, literally from RL militaries!

NONE of that is even addressing characters who ARE setting appropriate but weird for whatever reason anyways. Our Dark Knight, Reyna, has pink hair. How am I supposed to put her on a pedestal with the likes of Yuber and Pesmerga when she dyes her hair?!

Maureus looks like a wizard, but is a, 'muscle wizard.' Yeah, haha, lol, very funny- WHY DOES THIS CHARACTER EXIST?! If we needed a heavy fighter type character, why not make a serious, cool one?!

WHAT IS WITH ALL OF THE JOKE CHARACTERS?!

Yusuke, our desperado, is awesome, but why PINK?

WHY CAN'T THE GAME TAKE ITS CHARACTERS SERIOUSLY?! WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE A JOKE?!

Don't get me wrong. Humor has its place, and a couple of characters meant to be funny is charming, but it's a sizable CHUNK of the Eiyuden cast that constantly breaks immersion.

I felt less like I was recruiting an army of heroes, and more like I was collecting an army of clowns.

Oh, and before I press post, Carrie is the worst teleport mage of all time, and not just because of unskippable voiced dialogue every time you teleport AND arrive at your destination, that adds like, another 5 seconds to going ANYWHERE.

exactly, i would add the worldbuilding was super bland. For example the lenses never felt anywhere close to the runes in suikoden games. Shallow and meaningless. Main Antagonist was a joke as well, it was like a fanservice of Luca Blight w/o any depth. I couldnt even finish the game halfway. Until the imperial dude rejoins the group it was kinda bearable. But after the guy rejoined w/o any real drama, the magic was completely lost for me.

Then i played chained echoes befor eiyuden, which had an amazing worldbuilding and was made by 1 Person, and even looked like suiko 2 graphics. Its so sad what they did with eiyuden, completely wasted potential. And i dont even want another game from them.

[Eightball]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrPurple33:

I'm a Fan Of JRPGs In General, But For Me I Was Hooked With Suikoden 3 For the PS2-
I Still Have Both, and Have Replayed Suikoden 3 At Least 3 Times

I Had Suikoden 4 and the Sailing and Rune Cannons Were Interesting,
But Overall That One Was a Waste Of Time- Didn't Keep That One

Oddly 4's 'Sequel' Suikoden Tactics Was Quite Good, and I Replayed It a 2nd Time,
Still Fondly Remember Some Characters, and Am Semi-Regretting Not Keeping It

Suikoden 5 Was Pretty Good, Some Nice Characters, Good Large Battles, and Strangley
a Very Fun Fishing Mini-Game, and I Usually Dislike Fishing Games- Still Didn't Keep It

Suikoden 3 Though, Again, Is Just FABULOUS, So I'm Getting 1 and 2
To 'Complete the Original Trilogy' You Could Say- Plus I've Had Good Experiences
Revisiting Or Getting 90's JRPGs I Missed- I'm 52, So a Few Classics Fell Through the Cracks, Like Chrono Trigger, Which I Didn't Get Until 2019, Even Though I Played Chrono Cross

I'm not reading that if you can't write it properly. This is an offence to my eyes.

[Abacus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MrPurple33:

I'm a Fan Of JRPGs In General, But For Me I Was Hooked With Suikoden 3 For the PS2-
I Still Have Both, and Have Replayed Suikoden 3 At Least 3 Times

I Had Suikoden 4 and the Sailing and Rune Cannons Were Interesting,
But Overall That One Was a Waste Of Time- Didn't Keep That One

Oddly 4's 'Sequel' Suikoden Tactics Was Quite Good, and I Replayed It a 2nd Time,
Still Fondly Remember Some Characters, and Am Semi-Regretting Not Keeping It

Suikoden 5 Was Pretty Good, Some Nice Characters, Good Large Battles, and Strangley
a Very Fun Fishing Mini-Game, and I Usually Dislike Fishing Games- Still Didn't Keep It

Suikoden 3 Though, Again, Is Just FABULOUS, So I'm Getting 1 and 2
To 'Complete the Original Trilogy' You Could Say- Plus I've Had Good Experiences
Revisiting Or Getting 90's JRPGs I Missed- I'm 52, So a Few Classics Fell Through the Cracks, Like Chrono Trigger, Which I Didn't Get Until 2019, Even Though I Played Chrono Cross

well said!