will this one get Denuvo as well?

[ashurakain]

Similar to DQ3 remake?

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

I sure hope so!

[vicsrealms]

Hope not. Quick way to get me to close my wallet.

[Moonlight]

I don't get this Denuvo stuff. I am able to play the game without any problems. All I know that it is to prevent privacy. Unless im wrong. Maybe it could be that it takes up more storage space?

[ashurakain]

and also sometimes interferes with windows updates, that you have delete certain files to make space for them... it truly sucks.

edit: had to uninstall DQ3, and then delete the denuvo files that were in the main drive that housed it, in order to get the the windows update to be successful... it truly sucks.

[no_idea_for_a_name]

Originally posted by Moonlight:

I don't get this Denuvo stuff. I am able to play the game without any problems. All I know that it is to prevent privacy. Unless im wrong. Maybe it could be that it takes up more storage space?

It basically means that you don't actually own the game, because, if they decide(or are forced), for whatever reason, to permanently shut down the remote servers that handle this game's denuvo, you won't ever be able to start the game again.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by no_idea_for_a_name:

Originally posted by Moonlight:

I don't get this Denuvo stuff. I am able to play the game without any problems. All I know that it is to prevent privacy. Unless im wrong. Maybe it could be that it takes up more storage space?

It basically means that you don't actually own the game, because, if they decide(or are forced), for whatever reason, to permanently shut down the remote servers that handle this game's denuvo, you won't ever be able to start the game again.

Wrong. Steam just rolls out an update that removes Denuvo from the files. They've done it before.

[no_idea_for_a_name]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

Originally posted by no_idea_for_a_name:

It basically means that you don't actually own the game, because, if they decide(or are forced), for whatever reason, to permanently shut down the remote servers that handle this game's denuvo, you won't ever be able to start the game again.

Wrong. Steam just rolls out an update that removes Denuvo from the files. They've done it before.

It's not wrong. That's how it works. You then have to _hope_ that they're going to remove it. There's no guarantee that they're gonna do it.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

Originally posted by no_idea_for_a_name:

It basically means that you don't actually own the game, because, if they decide(or are forced), for whatever reason, to permanently shut down the remote servers that handle this game's denuvo, you won't ever be able to start the game again.

Wrong. Steam just rolls out an update that removes Denuvo from the files. They've done it before.

What? Steam has no authority or power to make changes to a game owned by another company... just imagine the legal headache that would cause. Steam is only the distributor.

Publishers are the ones who have the power to update the game to a non-Denuvo branch. It takes five minutes tops to do so provided they have already uploaded that build on Steampipe. Yet, for some reason, most do not remove it.

Konami themselves never removed it from their older titles for instance, even though they don't seem to use it anymore on their newest ones.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

Wrong. Steam just rolls out an update that removes Denuvo from the files. They've done it before.

What? Steam has no authority or power to make changes to a game owned by another company... just imagine the legal headache that would cause. Steam is only the distributor.

Publishers are the ones who have the power to update the game to a non-Denuvo branch. It takes five minutes tops to do so provided they have already uploaded that build on Steampipe. Yet, for some reason, most do not remove it.

Konami themselves never removed it from their older titles for instance - which is a dealbreaker to me for buying their newest titles, even though they don't seem to use it anymore. Also, I do hold a grudge on how they treated Kojima-san and his team in the past but that's beside the point. They're learning the hard way that consumer trust is hard gained and easily lost. :clickbutton:

They work WITH the company. Steam has patched out Denuvo before. If the worst case scenario happened, you'd just have to wait for the update.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

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They work WITH the company. Steam has patched out Denuvo before. If the worst case scenario happened, you'd just have to wait for the update.

That's not how this works. Valve doesn't have access to the publisher's files. It's password protected and encrypted on Steam's content repository and the publisher does not go through Valve to update their files - it's an automated process using the Steamworks developer interface. Just imagine if a developer had to request Valve every time one of the 100k+ games on Steam needed an update. Have a bit of common sense please.

I'm a developer but you don't have to believe me on my word - If you fancy yourself a historian, I suggest reviewing the evidence: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/home

You can also see there that most of the games using Denuvo never removed it - about two thirds: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_games_using_Denuvo_Anti-Tamper

[REM 🔋]

The Denuvo shill doesn't actually know how Denuvo works - surprise!

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

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They work WITH the company. Steam has patched out Denuvo before. If the worst case scenario happened, you'd just have to wait for the update.

That's not how this works. Valve doesn't have access to the publisher's files. It's password protected and encrypted on Steam's content repository and the publisher does not go through Valve to update their files - it's an automated process using the Steamworks developer interface. Just imagine if a developer had to request Valve every time one of the 100k+ games on Steam needed an update. Have a bit of common sense please.

I'm a developer but you don't have to believe me on my word - If you fancy yourself a historian, I suggest reviewing the evidence: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/home

You can also see there that most of the games using Denuvo never removed it - about two thirds: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_games_using_Denuvo_Anti-Tamper

So, like I said, and no one listens, Steam works WITH companies to remove Denuvo if the company requests it. Steam would most certainly do it themselves or make the publisher give them the codes if Denuvo ever goes down. It's really easy for people with 2 brain cells to rub together to understand.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

Originally posted by lukaself:

That's not how this works. Valve doesn't have access to the publisher's files. It's password protected and encrypted on Steam's content repository and the publisher does not go through Valve to update their files - it's an automated process using the Steamworks developer interface. Just imagine if a developer had to request Valve every time one of the 100k+ games on Steam needed an update. Have a bit of common sense please.

I'm a developer but you don't have to believe me on my word - If you fancy yourself a historian, I suggest reviewing the evidence: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/home

You can also see there that most of the games using Denuvo never removed it - about two thirds: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_games_using_Denuvo_Anti-Tamper

So, like I said, and no one listens, Steam works WITH companies to remove Denuvo if the company requests it. Steam would most certainly do it themselves or make the publisher give them the codes if Denuvo ever goes down. It's really easy for people with 2 brain cells to rub together to understand.

Cool. Why didn't they do it with every other deprecated DRM then? When a DRM goes down, Valve delists the games because they can't sell a game that doesn't work anymore and they can't magically conjure up the missing files that are protected by Denuvo. It happened with SecuROM which is made by the same developer. Out of the 600 games or so which used it, only 50 removed it, all the other titles got progressively delisted.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/SecuROM#List_of_games_using_SecuROM

Repeating yourself more rudely doesn't make you any less wrong.

[REM 🔋]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Repeating yourself more rudely doesn't make you any less wrong. :clickbutton:

He's quintupling down on being wrong.

Going to die on this hill.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by REM 🔋:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Repeating yourself more rudely doesn't make you any less wrong. :clickbutton:

He's quintupling down on being wrong.

Going to die on this hill. :trash_crown:

Yeah, because these Denuvo threads are full of disinformation and BS, and we all know if Denuvo ever stopped existing, we'd have a Steam patch for the games within 24 hours. This thread is full of conspiracy theorists telling me the sky is falling. Oh, you can trust me. I'm a Developer LOL.