Ok lets do it! Preorder fans!

[Sage Pirotess]

Who is with me in this boat?

[MahouKurein]

引用自 funewchie：

引用自 MahouKurein：

They delayed the game to make it better, and you can clearly see it from the trailers. Also, it's TWO games worth 25 each. Wanna make some math?

What would you pay the port without them working on it? Let's say 10, feels honest.
They worked on it, that costs, and don't make me make a list of things they did 'cause there are, what price should we give it? Another 10? We're at 20.

So what do you feel taken advatange of? 5? And we're talking numbers without talking about how much it costed them to do what they did, as clearly if they postponed for all these years they clearly want to do something with the IP.

You're paying for 25 for a Remaster, which is more than honest, and I'd wait another 5 years if it means that the game comes out in the best shape possible.

Uh, dude... I was only responding to that guy.

He said they're charging 50 euros for one PS1 game, and I'm pointing out it's two games.
Then I decided to poke fun at the complaints about the three year delay, by pointing out we Freedom Planet fans waited even longer.

I have no objections to the price or delay, if you'll notice.
The other guy did.

Oop, my bad then! Sorry :)

I've read the complaint about the price so many times I'm sure my answer will be read by some even if it's not directed to you!

[funewchie]

引用自 MahouKurein：

引用自 funewchie：

Uh, dude... I was only responding to that guy.

He said they're charging 50 euros for one PS1 game, and I'm pointing out it's two games.
Then I decided to poke fun at the complaints about the three year delay, by pointing out we Freedom Planet fans waited even longer.

I have no objections to the price or delay, if you'll notice.
The other guy did.

Oop, my bad then! Sorry :)

I've ready the complaint about the price so many times I'm sure my answer will be read by some even if it's not directed to you!

It's all good.
(I'm currently facing that in the Palworld forum, from people whining about the Twitch drops on a few bonus skins. Steam forums can be a rough place sometimes)

Yeah, the price is actually quite fair.
$25 each is a great deal, even if they had been just 1:1 ports of the originals, let alone enhanced remasters.

My only reason for hesitating is if I have time for an RPG. I rarely have time for long, long games anymore.
I'm still tempted to go for it anyways.
(These days I prefer shorter, snappier RPGs. Like Super Mario RPG, about 20 hours long, if that. But, maybe I can work it out how to do these games in reasonable time.)

[Sage Pirotess]

引用自 tankanidis：

After getting burnt by Eiyuden the 'spiritual successor' of this series, i think i'll wait for it to release and see some in-game footage/reviews before i buy it

Technically, this ip, suikoden is a succour to capcom's destiny of an emperor. I forgot but 500 to 700 players to choose to be in your army, and unite China. Nes, Nintendo 8 bit.

Saying that, yea suikoden is ok for next gen.

[Zero McDol]

I'll get it when I get it.

I already have I and II on the PS1 and the PS1 is still working, so I'm not exactly in a hurry to get it here. Now if it were Suikoden IV, then I'd definitely grab it on day one. Not that I don't also have Suikoden IV, V, and Tactics, but IV and Tactics are my favorite.

[NeutronVortex]

Just pre-ordered it myself. So hyped but man, it's gonna be a long wait till March. :/

Suikoden 1-5 are some of my favorite games. I hope 3, 4 and 5 get remastered too.

[NeutronVortex]

引用自 Zero McDohl：

I'll get it when I get it.

I already have I and II on the PS1 and the PS1 is still working, so I'm not exactly in a hurry to get it here. Now if it were Suikoden IV, then I'd definitely grab it on day one. Not that I don't also have Suikoden IV and V, but IV is my favorite.

Nice. I feel like 4 is under-appreciated.

[Zero McDol]

引用自 NeutronVortex：

引用自 Zero McDohl：

I'll get it when I get it.

I already have I and II on the PS1 and the PS1 is still working, so I'm not exactly in a hurry to get it here. Now if it were Suikoden IV, then I'd definitely grab it on day one. Not that I don't also have Suikoden IV and V, but IV is my favorite.

Nice. I feel like 4 is under-appreciated.

It is, but that's okay. All Suikoden games offer something, and are really timeless classics in terms of a blend between sand to play in and stories to enjoy .

[Jurahkan]

INSTANT buy. Theres nothing to discuss. Inject this straight into my veins.

[lunasmeow]

引用自 funewchie：

Nah.

I rarely have time for RPGs these days.
And while I played (and liked) Suikoden 3 on PS2, I never did get to play these two.
Though I know some things about them, due to a few of these games' cast showing up in 3.

We'll see after this game comes out.

...You know nothing about 1 & 2 from 3, just to let you know. If you know about 1 & 2, it's from other sources, not from 3, not really.

Almost nobody shows up in 3, and the few that do don't really tell you ♥♥♥♥. Also, three is TRASH in comparison to 1 & 2, which are, hands down, the best in the entire series. If you're avoiding because of 3, the WORST in the series (or 2nd worse, depending, some say 4 is the worst) then you're missing out.

Point is, if you thought THREE was good, when it's always either last or next to last in Suikoden Tier Lists? You're gonna LOVE these. Also, S1 is very short. Easy to beat even with work and other stuff interfering. S2 is longer, but WELL worth it. When you play these, you'll understand why so many think 3 was utter trash in comparison.

Trust me bro, it's worth it.

[lunasmeow]

引用自 Kinasato：

If they fix Viktor's accuracy problem in first game, I'm down for loving it as much as 2nd.

Accuracy problem? What? Throw the Clone Rune on his ass and never use a normal strike ever again. That's what it's there so early for.

[lunasmeow]

引用自 Azure Fang：

Pre-ordering physical games has always been a scam. If a game's "street dated", the stores get their initial allotment sometimes a month in advance and your money is to secure you as a customer rather than securing your copy. If it's not street dated, stores aren't even guaranteed to get enough to cover pre-orders on day one but will get more than enough to cover you within the next two days. Working at GameStop for too many years taught me that.

Pre-ordering digital games is downright ludicrous. They're not going to run out of account entitlements. They're just securing early revenue. And as good as the Suikoden franchise is, it's not going to be worth $50 considering every Konami "classic" release to date has been an in-house, worse than scene emulator with a few extra features wrapped around (poorly) encrypted ROMs. If they prove me wrong then so be it, but their track record doesn't exactly instill me with confidence.

Maybe I'm getting tired of the "remaster bubble", but I'm sick of seeing some of the greatest games in history zombie'd out of portfolios and slapped with "new game" prices while missing the entire point of the nostalgia that drives desire for the games. I'm not here to play Suikoden with modernized graphics. I'm here to support the legacy of why these games were great in the context of their release frame and not have to put more wear on my physical copies that are more prone to disc rot that normal CDs because PlayStation discs are fragile as hell. If Suikoden 1+2 haven't been "updated for modern sensibilities", I will recant everything I've whinged out here, but I refuse to pay ahead for something pre-release without early access.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

...Most of what you said is fine, but a few things are off.

1. Pre-ordering physical copies IS in fact, to guarantee "your copy". The WHOLE POINT of pre-orders for physical copies, is to help the stores gauge how many copies they need to order - they order enough to cover the pre-orders, plus more for sales based on how popular the game seems to be. If the one particular GameStop you happened to work at didn't do that properly, that's your local ♥♥♥♥♥♥ management, not "physical pre-orders are scams".

2. Based on what you said, - something I agree with mind you - you don't want a game that has been "updated for modern audiences" and therefore has a bunch of modern political correctness thrown in. The problem comes in with the fact that this is completely and utterly at odds with what you said before. Why? Well, because that would mean that you ARE in fact, here to play "Suikoden with updated graphics" because anything else, would mean you DID want the "modern audiences" adaptation, since if you didn't want the updated graphics, you'd just emulate and play the OG that way for free.

Basically... you said some stuff that was fine, but some of what you said was just patently absurd nonsense.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

引用自 funewchie：

But I can appreciate your worry.

I had the same reaction to the Super Mario RPG remake.
I was worried they'd try to alter the script to "be more faithful to the Japanese version", but thankfully, with very few exceptions (and a Bruce Lee reference removed for legal reasons), the script was virtually identical to the SNES one.

Especially the Mushroom guard's comment about not stopping a crocodile thief boss.
In Japan, he makes a weak pun ("I'm a watchman. I watched him leave").
But in English, he sarcastically quips "Because I forgot my bazooka at home."
I was thrilled they left things like that pristine.

(It did stink that they gutted most of Grate Guy's Casino, but I also understand that that was because of international laws forbidding having gambling)

Similarly the Suikoden translations are a bit rough in places. I'm hoping they clean up some of the rougher translated parts that are basically machine translation without doing a full rewrite.

[funewchie]

引用自 lunasmeow：

引用自 funewchie：

Nah.

I rarely have time for RPGs these days.
And while I played (and liked) Suikoden 3 on PS2, I never did get to play these two.
Though I know some things about them, due to a few of these games' cast showing up in 3.

We'll see after this game comes out.

...You know nothing about 1 & 2 from 3, just to let you know. If you know about 1 & 2, it's from other sources, not from 3, not really.

Almost nobody shows up in 3, and the few that do don't really tell you ♥♥♥♥. Also, three is TRASH in comparison to 1 & 2, which are, hands down, the best in the entire series. If you're avoiding because of 3, the WORST in the series (or 2nd worse, depending, some say 4 is the worst) then you're missing out.

Point is, if you thought THREE was good, when it's always either last or next to last in Suikoden Tier Lists? You're gonna LOVE these. Also, S1 is very short. Easy to beat even with work and other stuff interfering. S2 is longer, but WELL worth it. When you play these, you'll understand why so many think 3 was utter trash in comparison.

Trust me bro, it's worth it.

Well, yeah, of course I read up on the material.
But also, events in 2 did play parts in 3's plot.
Like looking up who Lilly, Lucia, and so on were (admittedly, Nash is still a mystery). Or the fact some of those story events of other Suikoden games were done in theater plays.

I had been hesitating because of time, not content.
I haven't touched 3 in years, for that matter.
In any case, I probably will go for this, just for the heck of it, and cause I was curious to see the events of 2.

Also, geez, this isn't a popularity contest.
I liked 3, nothing will change that.
Even if 2 is amazing and superior to it as everyone says, then great I look forward to enjoying it too, but I'm not going to hate 3.
You're talking to someone who enjoys Mega Man X6 and 100%'d it a dozen times, despite how hated it is by people.
I'm not limited in the amount of games I like.

[Buddusky]

Pre-orderers love disappointments. That's just the way it is, ha!

[Fatch]

50€ for a lazy port that could have been released last year ? (because there is nothing more since last preview) no i'll take it later for 20 or just play it on psx.

you have HD background and sprites ugly as f*ck, and no new content, so much report is a joke