Great Game, definitely shouldn't have been called Gunvolt 3. Story's really not good.

[Zoku]

So I had played GV1 and 2 to completion, but I didn't get the secret ending in GV2, so I JUST NOW looked it up to see how GV2 ended up being connected to GV3..

I'm just gonna say, they really screwed the pooch for future games when they took away Lumen/Joule from GV.

This games story has almost nothing to do with the past games. It only references them and past enemies GV has faced. They do not retconn anything, but they do kind of disrespect GV1's story a lot by having GV question his actions when he went freelance to protect Joule.

One of the biggest connections to the GV series this has is the antagonists plan being parallel to the antagonists in GV1 and 2. Outside of that, it's GV's new memory based power.

The game honestly should have been a spinoff using the bad ending of GV2 as a base. At least then, there would have been a massive emotional trigger that caused what happened to GV, some level of semblance for the story to make sense. If you were to come into this game after playing GV2 and finish the first mission, you'd be like "What the hell happened."

I straight up have no idea how they're going to make a GV4, cause that's probably gonna be a thing in the future after the inevitable Luminous Avenger iX3.

Overall it's a good game, it's just got a really mid story.

[mdesaleah]

Misunderstood the parallel of what Zed is also meant to be.

He's a parallel to 1 and 2 GV. Both have almost equal powers (before 3), both have a Muse partner (or had), and both were very aggressive with what they wanted even if its means avoiding communication or not choosing to look at better solutions later.

3 says that GV did the right thing in 1 and 2, but failed to look for any big solutions and rushed to his own answers which probably caused even more harm even if he did solve immediate threat. Protecting Joule wasnt bad, Kirin even says she'd do the same thing. This is more obvious if you do the bonus fights with Nova and Asimov.

But the writing has never been amazing in any of the games, so it kind of gets lost in the surprise of the direction. Like how 2 was meant to be the game where you let Joule go for Quinn, yet Quinn is as charming as a plank of wood and has no character other than "nice".

Dev interviews even say that they put everything they originally wanted with a third game into 2, which means that those secret endings and Copen's ending were always meant to be left hanging? Its confusing.

[Big Damn Hero]

What bad ending of GV2? That game doesn't have a bad ending, it just decides to stop at the standoff if you haven't completed both campaigns.

[Zoku]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Misunderstood the parallel of what Zed is also meant to be.

He's a parallel to 1 and 2 GV. Both have almost equal powers (before 3), both have a Muse partner (or had), and both were very aggressive with what they wanted even if its means avoiding communication or not choosing to look at better solutions later.

3 says that GV did the right thing in 1 and 2, but failed to look for any big solutions and rushed to his own answers which probably caused even more harm even if he did solve immediate threat. Protecting Joule wasnt bad, Kirin even says she'd do the same thing. This is more obvious if you do the bonus fights with Nova and Asimov.

The issue is that GV knows what he did was right, and yet still appears to second guess himself for his actions in his situation. The problem with Zed was he actually could have solved a ton of the worlds issues if he had established proper communication with Sumeragi through control over the Djinn Adept. Zed couldn't have been a parallel to GV outside of his powers because GV would have taken full advantage of Zed's position to find a peaceful solution. GV actively went out of his way to leave Quill because of Asimov's order to kill Joule, and was being hunted for that decision. There wouldn't really be any peacekeeping option here other than self defense, which is what GV did the entirerity of GV1 and 2, since GV2 was a repeat of GV1 but with a different antagonist. If Sumeragi would have been the better option for protecting Joule and the world, GV would have surrendered to them in a heartbeat.

I actually haven't unlocked the bonus fights yet. Haven't figured those out.

Originally posted by Big Damn Hero:

What bad ending of GV2? That game doesn't have a bad ending, it just decides to stop at the standoff if you haven't completed both campaigns.

That's fair, i'd just argue that it'd make a good place for *something* to happen, instead of major arcs getting dropped entirely. If this was a spinoff, It'd make sense for information about a bad ending to GV2 to fit there, while also keeping the true ending arcs intact for a sequel story. Copen's true ending could have been an amazing way for a different GV3's story to spark, but nah, he's just gone. I was expecting him to be in GV3 somehow to be honest, especially after major plotpoints for him in Luminous Avenger iX.

[mdesaleah]

With GV having regrets, I think that was the point due to him seeing how even decades later you still have Sumeragi secretly doing tests and adepts not being widely accepted. Add that to his dragon powers now causing even more issues leads him to second guessing things. You can say he never had the chance to do better do to being sealed, but thats also part of the conflict. The secret fights clarify things a little more.

Its not the direction anyone expected, but they do explain why he's doubting himself.

Zed doesnt trust Sumeragi also based on some of his dialogue in the epilogue, and he's also doing his plan on his own without seeking any outside help until the game ends. Even in the epilogue he'd rather do things with Atems first than consult with Kirin, even though he trusts her more than Sumeragi (for good reason since Sumeragi still kept Moebius a secret). It would be good if the next game delves more into Kirin's optimism backfiring since she has been proven wrong a couple of times already, but nothing major has come of it so far.

For Copen, we can hope for a 2.5 in between game or something. Or maybe Copen turned into a cyborg like he does in iX. There's ways they can take him. But I do agree that dropping him completely to focus on just GV was a weird decision.

[Oguzhan]

I disagree. The story of GV games were NEVER good. This game is not much better than them but unlike the first 2 games, this one has a great cast. I couldn't care about any of the support cast, maybe with the exception of Copen's household, but I genuinely love the dragon saviors. Zed's harem, while not as well written as the Dragon saviors, are funny. Usually, I don't like harems but the fact that they are all in love with the antagonist makes it somewhat funny. It is not tightly connected to the previous games, but this is the direction I want the series to continue on.

[Lancer]

Do you two ever shut up? We get it, you don't like GV for the story. You don't have to chime in every single time lmao, it's getting tiring.

GV3 characters are pretty bad. Especially the ATEMS characters. And GV himself was pretty butchered, you can't seriously tell me that 3 was faithful to his character.

Honestly what's so insulting about GV3's story is that it not only contradicts the series's morals, but also damn near everything Inti's ever made. Imagine if Zero 3 dropped the Mother Elf plotline, treated the Weil cliffhanger as a joke, and then had Zero working for Neo Arcadia after time skipping everybody else away.

[Pokemoc]

GV3 always shows us what GV did mistakes in 1-2 without relize after effects.

GV1 gave us suffering from his choice (Asimov killed Joule/ Nova totured Joule infront of GV, Other characters shown us some deadly sins and overpowered Adepts). In the end, they gave us a freedom to do anything but it is bitter end because GV lost every fkin things in his life especially someone he wants to protect.

GV2, Eden wants to steal Joule's power and shatters Joule's power into glasses. After he saved Copen's sister. He lost fkin Lumen forever. GV trades his Lumen for Mytyl's freedom. He has nothing for himself at all.

After GV2 he went berserk and got seal in Sumeragiri's base. GV3 only represents GV's side. I don't think they gonna tell us about human or other things beside GV and Kirin so I think it's ok with this plot. If they want to make spin-off, it's ok to put right here. They tell story only Adepts side. Human's side doesn't exist in this GV3 at all.

[VALKYRIE PROFILE]

I KNEW I wasn't the only one who's noticed that Lancer is insane. Guy has been fervently hating on GV3 ever since it's release. Like we get it, you didn't like the story and you're mald that Gunvolt and Kirin don't play like Gunvolt did in GV1/2. It's been over half a year, do something else.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by VALKYRIE PROFILE:

I KNEW I wasn't the only one who's noticed that Lancer is insane. Guy has been fervently hating on GV3 ever since it's release. Like we get it, you didn't like the story and you're mald that Gunvolt and Kirin don't play like Gunvolt did in GV1/2. It's been over half a year, do something else.

Not even just that, at one point I got him to say that GV2 has worse gameplay than 1 so its even more than just purism.

Its fine to prefer one over another, but theres also ways to say why while also making sense and not being obsessive (if thats a good term)

[Big Damn Hero]

Originally posted by VALKYRIE PROFILE:

I KNEW I wasn't the only one who's noticed that Lancer is insane. Guy has been fervently hating on GV3 ever since it's release. Like we get it, you didn't like the story and you're mald that Gunvolt and Kirin don't play like Gunvolt did in GV1/2. It's been over half a year, do something else.

To be fair most of the hardcore fanbase is doing that even today, he is not alone on that one he is just the most vocal here.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Big Damn Hero:

Originally posted by VALKYRIE PROFILE:

I KNEW I wasn't the only one who's noticed that Lancer is insane. Guy has been fervently hating on GV3 ever since it's release. Like we get it, you didn't like the story and you're mald that Gunvolt and Kirin don't play like Gunvolt did in GV1/2. It's been over half a year, do something else.

To be fair most of the hardcore fanbase is doing that even today, he is not alone on that one he is just the most vocal here.

Kind of. Most of the complaints are story related, and even then its less than what it seems just due to how internet works.

Gameplay-wise its a lot more positive overall.

[Big Damn Hero]

Yeah I was only referring to the fact that they're complaining, I know gameplay generally gets a pass unless it's extreme purists like Lancer or people sick of characters that don't actually platform.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by アレックス:

If you have an IQ north of about uhhhhh 57, then please be aware of this character. He will spurn you in one breath for having a criticism, but in the next he will cite the Megaman Zero 3 Mother Elf plotline as if he's reading quotes from the Bible. You should probably put him on ignore and hope he doesn't come for you as you sleep (he probably will he's kiiiiiiiiiiiinda messed up that way)

I have no idea what you're talking about. I was pointing out that you feel the need to dismiss any and all story critisims as "it doesn't matter lmao." It's obnoxious, please let people just, yaknow, discuss the game? On a discussion forum? You felt so offended by me calling you out you choose to attack my character instead of trying to defend your stance...

It's not a "Bible quote" lol. It's an example that I imagine most of you would understand. GV3's plot premise is utterly ridiculous, and if applied to this other beloved game I don't think it would of gotten the reputation it had.

Originally posted by VALKYRIE PROFILE:

Like we get it, you didn't like the story and you're mald that Gunvolt and Kirin don't play like Gunvolt did in GV1/2. It's been over half a year, do something else.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bite me lol. I'd rather the series die in a gutter than continue like this.

Originally posted by Big Damn Hero:

To be fair most of the hardcore fanbase is doing that even today, he is not alone on that one he is just the most vocal here.

It's not even just hardcore fans. You can for example, search Gunvolt on twitter, and see that even still you have randos finally seeing the story and exclaiming how bad it is and how Gunvolt 3 is a terrible Gunvolt 3. It's at minimum once a week, months after release.

Originally posted by Big Damn Hero:

Yeah I was only referring to the fact that they're complaining, I know gameplay generally gets a pass unless it's extreme purists like Lancer or people sick of characters that don't actually platform.

Ignoring that Gunvolt 3 is named the way it is, I think most of Kirin's kit is near-useless and the game balance is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Like the Arc Chain cancel spam thing I think we talked about before? And yeah I'm sick of not platforming in the platforming series lol.

[Pokemoc]

Originally posted by Lancer:

Imagine if Zero 3 dropped the Mother Elf plotline, treated the Weil cliffhanger as a joke, and then had Zero working for Neo Arcadia after time skipping everybody else away.

Do you read Project RCL from former writer Rockman Zero/ZX LMAO Cliffhanger? Hell no they want to end with Rockman Zero 3 but CRAPCOM want to milking Zero some more money. Even Aizu doesn't want to make Rockman Zero 4. They want to make more ZX story but Capcom cancel their game Rockman ZXC. Writer is freakin mad about this and makes light novel by himself. Story about after Rockman Zero 4 but before ZX era. They don't drop Mother elf plot line but Capcom don't give a sht about it.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Pokemoc:

Originally posted by Lancer:

Imagine if Zero 3 dropped the Mother Elf plotline, treated the Weil cliffhanger as a joke, and then had Zero working for Neo Arcadia after time skipping everybody else away.

Do you read Project RCL from former writer Rockman Zero/ZX LMAO Cliffhanger? Hell no they want to end with Rockman Zero 3 but CRAPCOM want to milking Zero some more money. Even Aizu doesn't want to make Rockman Zero 4. They want to make more ZX story but Capcom cancel their game Rockman ZXC. Writer is freakin mad about this and makes light novel by himself. Story about after Rockman Zero 4 but before ZX era. They don't drop Mother elf plot line but Capcom don't give a sht about it.

Interesting that you point out that the Weil plot was originally meant to be left hanging with Zero 3 since that was meant to be the last one.

Zero 4 did close it out better, but thats one of the reasons why it feels more like an epilogue than a full ending.