First Glider you get sucks

[wildbill]

Very hard to come from Aloft with a fantastic glider to this game with the sucky glider like many games. Why even have it when we also have to use a grappling hook, since the glider sucks so hard.

BTW, I hate grappling hooks. Never liked them in ARK, not in Last Oasis, not in this game. I guess I just am not that coordinated, so it is just endless frustration in what could be way more fun with a decent glider. For me, the CTRL key is not key I can press easily. Seems that you need it to do the grappling correctly.

If the game described itself as a parkour game, I would have never bought it. I have 2.5 hours, not sure I can refund. Maybe?

[AbyssalEden]

Did you not watch the trailers or something?

[wildbill]

Originally posted by AbyssalEden:

Did you not watch the trailers or something?

A little bit, but didn't get how hard the grappling hooks would be to use. You never get those kinds of details from a trailer. Like that you have to press shift and then ctrl to boost yourself along with the grappling hook. I will never master that. Couldn't do it in Last Oasis, won't be able to do it here.

Maybe I can get a refund. This game is not for someone that doesn't have a lot of dexterity in their hands. 10 years ago I could have maybe played this game, but my hands are too old for this.

[Tustle]

Demo player here: for what it's worth, you do unlock a backpack glider better than the BOTW starting glider as you progress, a holdover from the original WA bought forward to this game.

unfortunately though the grappling hook is going to be eternal. fortunately it has visual cues and a rudimentary auto-lock now for when you're in grappling range of something and pointed in it's general direction...if this release is like the demo.

[banetrapperdev]

Originally posted by wildbill:

Originally posted by AbyssalEden:

Did you not watch the trailers or something?

A little bit, but didn't get how hard the grappling hooks would be to use. You never get those kinds of details from a trailer. Like that you have to press shift and then ctrl to boost yourself along with the grappling hook. I will never master that. Couldn't do it in Last Oasis, won't be able to do it here.

Maybe I can get a refund. This game is not for someone that doesn't have a lot of dexterity in their hands. 10 years ago I could have maybe played this game, but my hands are too old for this.

Are you describing...
Holding W to move forward, and holding shift to sprint is difficult?
And then stopping holding w and tapping q, to fly towards aim location, cause you where and are holding shift already to reel in, and then press space to launch yourself flying into air once you get some speed...

Those are the golden standard hotkeys to move WSAD, to go fast SHIFT, and to jump SPACE.

Sounds like a skill issue if you cannot use two fingers at a same time, get feet pedals!

[Frosty]

I agree that the glider does not really do much, but then again the glider in aloft feels overpowered, the purpose of the glider here is to traverse short or semi short distances.

The grappling hook is entertaining though sometimes glitchy as it has a habbit to launch the character inside of solid rock which results in an instant death.

[wildbill]

Originally posted by banetrapperdev:

Originally posted by wildbill:

A little bit, but didn't get how hard the grappling hooks would be to use. You never get those kinds of details from a trailer. Like that you have to press shift and then ctrl to boost yourself along with the grappling hook. I will never master that. Couldn't do it in Last Oasis, won't be able to do it here.

Maybe I can get a refund. This game is not for someone that doesn't have a lot of dexterity in their hands. 10 years ago I could have maybe played this game, but my hands are too old for this.

Are you describing...
Holding W to move forward, and holding shift to sprint is difficult?
And then stopping holding w and tapping q, to fly towards aim location, cause you where and are holding shift already to reel in, and then press space to launch yourself flying into air once you get some speed...

Those are the golden standard hotkeys to move WSAD, to go fast SHIFT, and to jump SPACE.

Sounds like a skill issue if you cannot use two fingers at a same time, get feet pedals!

No, I can use two fingers at the same time. I'm actually a pretty good touch typist. t is just the CTRL key that my little finger can not reach at the same time while pressing for instance the W key.

Pretty sure you have to hit CTRL to reel in then space to really fly, right? Seems like it could have been way less complicated. Why not LMB to reel in and RMB to reel out? Why the contortions with the fingers in the left hand. Maybe when you are 66 you might understand why a game like this is difficult to play. On some other game that don't use the ALT key for anything, I map the CTRL to the ALT instead and use my thumb both on space bar and for whatever CTRL is normally used for (usually dodge).

Feet pedals? There is a controller that uses feet pedals? I might need to look into that, never heard of it.

[Nox Tenebris]

The grapple hook is the selling point of the game for many so that's not changing. If you don't like one of the main reasons to play this game then you should probs refund. Or practice. The grapple hook takes a bit of time to get, it's pretty skill based. But once it clicks, Spider-Man'll be jealous as you zip around everywhere.

As for the glider, yeah it sucks. I really don't get the point of it since we have the grapple, other than the use case of saving you if you are falling and don't have something to grapple. It might get better as the glider skill levels up? Not sure cuz, for some reason the devs didn't feel like adding descriptions to those passive skills. Which is a miss for sure.

[wildbill]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

The grapple hook is the selling point of the game for many so that's not changing. If you don't like one of the main reasons to play this game then you should probs refund. Or practice. The grapple hook takes a bit of time to get, it's pretty skill based. But once it clicks, Spider-Man'll be jealous as you zip around everywhere.

As for the glider, yeah it sucks. I really don't get the point of it since we have the grapple, other than the use case of saving you if you are falling and don't have something to grapple. It might get better as the glider skill levels up? Not sure cuz, for some reason the devs didn't feel like adding descriptions to those passive skills. Which is a miss for sure.

I submitted my refund request. It took me 2.6 hours to realize the game has a lot of grappling. Normally you need to play 2 hours or less.

I have tried in other games (I mentioned Last Oasis) to master grappling. I just can't get it. I don't have the best vision either, so combine that with low dexterity in my little finger, and I don't see it ever working for me.

[wildbill]

What would be great for this game is to make the glider an actual option. Then the player could chose to grapple or glide. I saw the glider was in the game and thought cool, I can do that. Then I find it barely works, and a space that you would think you could glide across, you need to grapple. I am so disappointed.

[wildbill]

Ah, my refund went through. Love this about steam. Every game you get a short trial of it

[Nox Tenebris]

Originally posted by wildbill:

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

The grapple hook is the selling point of the game for many so that's not changing. If you don't like one of the main reasons to play this game then you should probs refund. Or practice. The grapple hook takes a bit of time to get, it's pretty skill based. But once it clicks, Spider-Man'll be jealous as you zip around everywhere.

As for the glider, yeah it sucks. I really don't get the point of it since we have the grapple, other than the use case of saving you if you are falling and don't have something to grapple. It might get better as the glider skill levels up? Not sure cuz, for some reason the devs didn't feel like adding descriptions to those passive skills. Which is a miss for sure.

I submitted my refund request. It took me 2.6 hours to realize the game has a lot of grappling. Normally you need to play 2 hours or less.

I have tried in other games (I mentioned Last Oasis) to master grappling. I just can't get it. I don't have the best vision either, so combine that with low dexterity in my little finger, and I don't see it ever working for me.

Last Oasis's grappling has nothing on this game's lol. Also there is a wingsuit later on, too. But regardless glad it worked out for you.

[Uriel]

Originally posted by Frosty:

the glider in aloft feels overpowered

Aloft player here, also 25+ hours inthe Lost Skies demo.

I can only agree, the glider in aloft may be very satisfying, but it's OP AF. It's not a glider, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anti-gravity system. Or maybe a plane. Or both, really.

Originally posted by wildbill:

What would be great for this game is to make the glider an actual option. Then the player could chose to grapple or glide. I saw the glider was in the game and thought cool, I can do that. Then I find it barely works, and a space that you would think you could glide across, you need to grapple. I am so disappointed.

The first glider is a glorified parachute. The second glider is much, much better. Slightly harder to master, too, but good enough that my ONE death during the demo was by colling head on with a mountain at full speed.

Oh wait, no, I actually died twice, I also dropped a tree on my head.

Well, the lesson here is "speedy things should not hit you on the head, and most likely nowhere else either".

[GubbyTheChubby]

i just read Aloft and blocked the dude...no need to discuss with kids like him

[Ghevd]

What's wrong with Aloft? Are you confusing it with this dev's previous title, Worlds Adrift?

[Dave]

Originally posted by GubbyTheChubby:

i just read Aloft and blocked the dude...no need to discuss with kids like him

i read gubbythechubby and its toxic comment and blocked it immediately, Don't need to discuss with kids like it.