Why all the fuss about private server ?

[Fixo]

If you have seen how the game works, it just makes sense their is no private server since every player can join you (with their character) whenever regardless of server... It would be like asking for private server in an MMO like ff14...
I don't get it.

[EternalWisdumb]

When you grow up with freedoms, you want to keep those freedoms. When you grow up with no freedoms, you don't know what freedom is.

[Lyrel]

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

Basically a group of people feel entitled to a certain feature that the devs have not opened for player just yet or isn't in the game.

Nobody feels entitled to anything. But having more options is never inherently a bad thing. And advocating for more options i.e. making posts and writhing about it is us trying to be heard by the dev's.

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

Even though they have been given their answer.

Except we haven't. Quite the opposite actually if you would actually watch the Video's they put out on ther YT channel.

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

The more I learn about how the servers work the more I realize the reasoning.

Private servers often have a limited number of players on them. While inviting people to play is easy enough it is just as easy on the official servers. Then there is the fact many of not all the things people do with setting on private servers is intended to be done with the Realm Cards in the game. (always night, always day, higher resources... etc) these are a game mechanic.

So? If you have any clue what so ever of hosting and running Dedicated Servers you would know there's alot more to it then just "changing settings".

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

Lastly there is no server list that I could see. So there is no real way to join a server. At the beginning of EA this is the reason I think they mentioned that you won't even be able to see public realms initially. They aren't ready to implement that.

So a missing interface option client side is the reason this is not possible? what?

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

However it is EA... it is the beginning of EA... They have a Dev map I'm sure and they are trying to follow it. They can rejig if needed to after the EA launch... but to demand a certain feature in this way is just not appropriate or helpful.

Again not demanding a thing here. Simply advocating for it. And that is what EA is for. And we cannot really advocate for anything if we don't write about it and make ourselves heard.

[Fixo]

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

If you have seen how the game works, it just makes sense their is no private server since every player can join you (with their character) whenever regardless of server... It would be like asking for private server in an MMO like ff14...
I don't get it.

From what you write here It seems you don't really know how the game works?
You can play this game completely private. No one being able to join you if you don't want them to. All the content in this game is completely solo-able.

So why not give us the option to host our own Dedicated Servers? Nobody is asking them to not host servers themselves. We just want additional options. And it's not like the concept is so unheard of in this game genre.

This would also have the benefit of not being completely dependent on them. Say for Example they release a patch and it causes some unforeseen issues which mean extended maintenance. In an environment like the game currently releases this means we won't be able to play while in a Dedicated Server Setting we could simply not patch the Server and keep playing until they manage to fix the issue.

Nah you are the one not understanding how the game works. When you reach endgame there is this Hub area, where everyone can gather and make group to tackle bigger challenges. that wouldn't work if there was multiple server dividing the community, pretty much make the place completely empty.

[Lyrel]

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

From what you write here It seems you don't really know how the game works?
You can play this game completely private. No one being able to join you if you don't want them to. All the content in this game is completely solo-able.

So why not give us the option to host our own Dedicated Servers? Nobody is asking them to not host servers themselves. We just want additional options. And it's not like the concept is so unheard of in this game genre.

This would also have the benefit of not being completely dependent on them. Say for Example they release a patch and it causes some unforeseen issues which mean extended maintenance. In an environment like the game currently releases this means we won't be able to play while in a Dedicated Server Setting we could simply not patch the Server and keep playing until they manage to fix the issue.

Nah you are the one not understanding how the game works. When you reach endgame there is this Hub area, where everyone can gather and make group to tackle bigger challenges. that wouldn't work if there was multiple server dividing the community, pretty much make the place completely empty.

Except that's optional. Watch some YT videos of people who actually played it. You don't need other players. Not for Dungeons or any other form of Endgame. You can Solo EVERYTHING.

And even if you don't want to play "alone" you can get NPC's to join you.

The Dev's already said you will have your Dedicated Server when you play. It just will be hosted by them. So the tech is already there in place.

Please at least watch their Dev Updates before posting on a matter you don't understand.

[Kaziklu78]

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

Post pick

actually if you look back about 20 or 30 of these threads Devs actually responded. People didn't like that answer so they kept spamming.

The answer is - It is something they are open to but it won't be in the game at the start of EA. That is literally all they have to say. That is the answer. If you don't like the answer that is on you not them. That is actually and open and honest answer.

So spamming the forums is in fact doing nothing but being annoying.

And yes if the interface doesn't exist then yes that is also a reason.

If you have a list of 10 things you want to get done and interface for public realms is number 7 then it can hold off for a bit if it is considered non critical at this time.

It is as simple as that.

[Fixo]

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

Nah you are the one not understanding how the game works. When you reach endgame there is this Hub area, where everyone can gather and make group to tackle bigger challenges. that wouldn't work if there was multiple server dividing the community, pretty much make the place completely empty.

Except that's optional. Watch some YT videos of people who actually played it. You don't need other players. Not for Dungeons or any other form of Endgame. You can Solo EVERYTHING.

And even if you don't want to play "alone" you can get NPC's to join you.

The Dev's already said you will have your Dedicated Server when you play. It just will be hosted by them. So the tech is already there in place.

Please at least watch their Dev Updates before posting on a matter you don't understand.

stop with your "you don't understand" argument, its not true, and is just childish when you don't have full context.
The fact that you don't need anyone doesn't change the fact that there is an entire endgame zone designed for people to meet in. If there are noone in this zone, it defeats the purpose.
and when they say you have your "dedicated server", can you link that exact statement ? because from my understanding, its just that every player as its own instance on the server.

[Lyrel]

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

The answer is - It is something they are open to but it won't be in the game at the start of EA. That is literally all they have to say.

Yes this is the answer we got a year ago so what? Again not demanding anything. Simply advocating a change.

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

So spamming the forums is in fact doing nothing but being annoying.

To you it may be annoying but to many other's it may be important to make themselves heard. And the more people advocate for something the more likely it is to make sure you get your point across. It also gives it a sense of scale to see how many people are interested in something.

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

If you have a list of 10 things you want to get done and interface for public realms is number 7 then it can hold off for a bit if it is considered non critical at this time.

Yes and that's fine. Again Simply advocating a change.

You act like all people that write about this are nutjobs hurling insults but there are actually alot of people making sensible arguments advocating for a possible change in the future.

[Kaziklu78]

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes this is the answer we got a year ago so what? Again not demanding anything. Simply advocating a change.

To you it may be annoying but to many other's it may be important to make themselves heard. And the more people advocate for something the more likely it is to make sure you get your point across. It also gives it a sense of scale to see how many people are interested in something.

It is just Spam... to amuse yourself. It is literally nothing to do with anything. That is the answer they gave recently in other threads. But they are buried by people spaming more threads.

There is 0 need for all of this.. minus trolling or entitlement. It is just one or the other at this point. There is literally not justification beyond it.

[Lyrel]

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

stop with your "you don't understand" argument, its not true, and is just childish when you don't have full context.

You started that argument claiming "If you have seen how the game works, it just makes sense their is no private server"

Implying people advocating Private Dedicated Servers "don't understand" how the game works no?

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

The fact that you don't need anyone doesn't change the fact that there is an entire endgame zone designed for people to meet in. If there are noone in this zone, it defeats the purpose.

And why would Dedicated Servers mean they couldn't connect to a public hub once entering this zone? Why would that in you mind mean this Zone would automatically be empty if people host their own servers?

Sure if you cap the internet connection of your Server that would probably result in this scenario but since most people hosting Dedicated Servers actually do so to play with other people means that most of them are actually have a connection to the internet.

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

and when they say you have your "dedicated server", can you link that exact statement ? because from my understanding, its just that every player as its own instance on the server.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piDLsKXvcKg

"For Nightingale, we will have dedicated official server at Early Access launch. This means that if you're playing with friends and you invite them to your Realm and you all set that as your respite point, any one of you at any point will be able to start up that realm regardless of who is online."

So a Dedicated Server in short.

[ImOnYourSide]

Modding and having your own settings based on the boring parts. Means a lot as well as the obvious ones like having your own saves and being able to login and play any time you want. Palworld did it right, this game could end up great as far as fun factor at some point but it's already behind the 8 ball.

[Wrothbog]

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

Triggerd_Noob eredeti hozzászólása:

So you will see a lot of the vocal minority complain here on the forums and likely review bomb the game much like Hell Divers 2, but that likely wont change the developers stance on having no private servers.

Yet they actually already stated they will revisit the Idea of Dedicated Servers during EA in the Dev Update Video a Year ago. And thus naturally there will be alot of people advocating for them until we get a definitive answer.

this is what people say when they want to say no but don't want to have the argument.

other examples are "can i have a pony?" "despite living in a 3 bedroom apartment, not right now, but well think about it"

"can i register this formula 1 car for road use" "it needs indicators, get back to us afterwards"

it would be beneficial for numerous reasons. it might not be viable for more.

not having private servers kills modding in the cradle.

[Lyrel]

Kaziklu78 eredeti hozzászólása:

It is just Spam... to amuse yourself. It is literally nothing to do with anything. That is the answer they gave recently in other threads. But they are buried by people spaming more threads.

There is 0 need for all of this.. minus trolling or entitlement. It is just one or the other at this point. There is literally not justification beyond it.

To most of us it isn't.

But each entitled to his own opinion i guess. Not gonna argue with you to what you perceive as a justified topic. What you perceive as trolling or entitlement may not be so to others and thus have justified reasons to be posted in their mind.

[Fixo]

Lyrel eredeti hozzászólása:

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

stop with your "you don't understand" argument, its not true, and is just childish when you don't have full context.

You started that argument claiming "If you have seen how the game works, it just makes sense their is no private server"

Implying people advocating Private Dedicated Servers "don't understand" how the game works no?

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

The fact that you don't need anyone doesn't change the fact that there is an entire endgame zone designed for people to meet in. If there are noone in this zone, it defeats the purpose.

And why would Dedicated Servers mean they couldn't connect to a public hub once entering this zone? Why would that in you mind mean this Zone would automatically be empty if people host their own servers?

Sure if you cap the internet connection of your Server that would probably result in this scenario but since most people hosting Dedicated Servers actually do so to play with other people means that most of them are actually have a connection to the internet.

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

and when they say you have your "dedicated server", can you link that exact statement ? because from my understanding, its just that every player as its own instance on the server.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piDLsKXvcKg

"For Nightingale, we will have dedicated official server at Early Access launch. This means that if you're playing with friends and you invite them to your Realm and you all set that as your respite point, any one of you at any point will be able to start up that realm regardless of who is online."

So a Dedicated Server in short.

1. This a real mental exercise to make me say something I didn't.

2.I'm gonna make myself clearer... A hub zone is usefull if there is alot of people in the hub zone. If there is noone (or even only 15 people), its not really usefull.

3. "So a dedicated Server in short" : you are really good at interpreting stuff the wrong way. No this doesn't mean dedicated Servers , this means instanced zone that are still going because there is always online server behind.

[Lyrel]

Wrothbog eredeti hozzászólása:

this is what people say when they want to say no but don't want to have the argument.

other examples are "can i have a pony?" "despite living in a 3 bedroom apartment, not right now, but well think about it"

"can i register this formula 1 car for road use" "it needs indicators, get back to us afterwards"

it would be beneficial for numerous reasons. it might not be viable for more.

not having private servers kills modding in the cradle.

I mean maybe that's the case but as of now i still have hope. Not trying means giving up and i'm not at that point yet tbh. So advocating for change it is.

[Lyrel]

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

1. This a real mental exercise to make me say something I didn't.

It's literally a quote from what you said. Can you elaborate then how you meant it?

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

2. I'm gonna make myself clearer... A hub zone is usefull if there is alot of people in the hub zone. If there is noone (or even only 15 people), its not really usefull.

And again why would Dedicated Servers mean the hub zone has only 15 people or even none in it? Please elaborate.

Fixo eredeti hozzászólása:

3. "So a dedicated Server in short" : you are really good at interpreting stuff the wrong way. No this doesn't mean dedicated Servers , this means instanced zone that are still going because there is always online server behind.

Yes you mean the various instances i run on my Server right now for Valheim, Enshrouded, ARK and Palworld? Funny right?