The Nightingale user acceptance agreement is insane

[Triplebud]

Did anyone actually read it? It's wild. I instantly declined and deleted the game. I hope that level of user data collection and what they can do with it is reduced at the actual launch and they allow offline mode. Shame because this game looks really good. I have no problem with collection of data. That happens with most games these days but the level this game is at is absolutely absurd. And its almost like their verbiage is saying "deal with it", Not a good look. We should not allow this to become the norm with selling our info to other countries.

[Tenoshii]

Care to share a few key differences that's causing your current reaction?

[Sister of Silence]

And here I thought nobody ever read those EULA's. Pretty sure if there's anything illegal in it it won't stand in the EU anyway.

[Tsuru]

Im pretty sure whatever agreement they propose, is not much different then what any other online game shows, or even steam platform for that matter.

[Kaziklu78]

Originally posted by Sister of Silence:

And here I thought nobody ever read those EULA's. Pretty sure if there's anything illegal in it it won't stand in the EU anyway.

well given as the game isn't purchasable until Tuesday they aren't looking at a EULA and are just spamming and trolling. Disinformation.

[Yhtill]

I assumed they meant the EULA from a Beta or Stress test. The website only has a Privacy Policy.

[Triplebud]

I mean all of you can just take a look at it and compare to other games and see the clear difference. This was really for people that actually care about what is happening to their information. I clearly said in the first post that gathering of information is normal for most games just not at this level and most of those games are not selling your info to China.

BUT since I expected the Steam community to blanket respond with ALL GAMES DO THIS:

Account ID, character name, third party account ID, Steam ID, Epic ID, Playstation ID. For any in-game/survey responses - IP address, Email address, responses, age range, profile, play sessions, social media accounts, realmwalker profile, session feedback, gameplay feedback, content creator info such as social media handles, gameplay data (aka your content).
Opt-in for marketing emails... and then all the expected items for troubleshooting, security, law enforcement requests (because it's online).

Who do we share this data with:
Stores, companies, organisations, distributors, Hosting Providers,

"A third party that acquires all or part of our business - we might disclose your personal data to another company with buys or undertakes another type of corporate transaction in respect of our shares or buys all or part of our assets. Yes, your personal data goes to other countries... We transfer your personal data to third parties that host or access personal data outside of these jurisdictions, including Canada, The US, India, Singapore, China, and the Philippines."

We keep your data until 6 months after the sunset of the game.

If you want to change access to any of this info for whatever reason they deem a "business justification" you have to email [e-mail] for each of the 7 specific categories.

Unless you're in California then some of the data provided is a little different.

And NO this is not what "most games do now anyway".
I've had to sign NDA on Alpha access games that do not collect, sell, allow the level of access to this degree.

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Triplebud:

I mean all of you can just take a look at it and compare to other games and see the clear difference. This was really for people that actually care about what is happening to their information. I clearly said in the first post that gathering of information is normal for most games just not at this level and most of those games are not selling your info to China.

Well I mean if you've already seen specific examples that concern you, is it really that surprising that people would be interested in what those are?

[Codesterz]

Sounds like the dev expects the game to fail and intends to profit off the people they scammed before closing the game down.

[Sister of Silence]

Originally posted by Triplebud:

I mean all of you can just take a look at it and compare to other games and see the clear difference. This was really for people that actually care about what is happening to their information. I clearly said in the first post that gathering of information is normal for most games just not at this level and most of those games are not selling your info to China.

BUT since I expected the Steam community to blanket respond with ALL GAMES DO THIS:

Account ID, character name, third party account ID, Steam ID, Epic ID, Playstation ID. For any in-game/survey responses - IP address, Email address, responses, age range, profile, play sessions, social media accounts, realmwalker profile, session feedback, gameplay feedback, content creator info such as social media handles, gameplay data (aka your content).
Opt-in for marketing emails... and then all the expected items for troubleshooting, security, law enforcement requests (because it's online).

Who do we share this data with:
Stores, companies, organisations, distributors, Hosting Providers,

"A third party that acquires all or part of our business - we might disclose your personal data to another company with buys or undertakes another type of corporate transaction in respect of our shares or buys all or part of our assets. Yes, your personal data goes to other countries... We transfer your personal data to third parties that host or access personal data outside of these jurisdictions, including Canada, The US, India, Singapore, China, and the Philippines."

We keep your data until 6 months after the sunset of the game.

If you want to change access to any of this info for whatever reason they deem a "business justification" you have to email [e-mail] for each of the 7 specific categories.

Unless you're in California then some of the data provided is a little different.

And NO this is not what "most games do now anyway".
I've had to sign NDA on Alpha access games that do not collect, sell, allow the level of access to this degree.

"we might disclose your personal data to another company with buys or undertakes another type of corporate transaction in respect of our shares or buys all or part of our assets" Sounds like they intend for Tencent to buy up the Inflexion shares and assets and consequently run off with all player data.

[S🅰]

Accept the status quo or become a wild man in the mountains

[Rogue]

Yup everyone do this. Steam's own on top of the publisher's on top of the 3rd party hosted service's on top of the developer's, etc. So much so they just copy paste them whatever just to cover their behind.

E.g you did a drug deal via in-game chat and some authorities want that chat after catching the dealer during a bust and found that dealer played said game and used said chat...

All generic data too, since anyone can have all those ID and many of them. You have to feed them those info, real or fake (notice the "surveys")... They need to store them after all, like how they are able to track your sweet sweet twitch drops or whatever... Eula means nothing in the end, still sue-able and overridden by local laws.

[Tsuru]

Originally posted by Triplebud:

Account ID, character name, third party account ID, Steam ID, Epic ID, Playstation ID. For any in-game/survey responses - IP address, Email address, responses, age range, profile, play sessions, social media accounts, realmwalker profile, session feedback, gameplay feedback, content creator info such as social media handles, gameplay data (aka your content).
Opt-in for marketing emails... and then all the expected items for troubleshooting, security, law enforcement requests (because it's online).

Dont see anything weird about any of this. I literally looked up Final Fantasy 14s data collection page. And just about everything on that list, they can get access to.

You know how they collect this data? Because you gave it to them in some way. Yes. They blanket statement alot of data because theres always the chance that that infomation might be used to connect to their game.

[Hefutoxin]

Originally posted by Triplebud:

BUT since I expected the Steam community to blanket respond with ALL GAMES DO THIS:

They do. You are making something rather normal sound sinister because they spelled it all out for you.

Like, how do you expect to get twitch drops if they don't collect the basic information YOU GIVE THEM?

I mean, go up to the right hand corner on steam, click your name, and check your Account Details. Steam has ALL of that information on you. It also shares some of that information with not only Online games you are playing, but also 3rd party payment processors when you buy something. It's just not explicitly spelled out in the EULA.

If another company buys them, obviously they will share that data with the "new" company. The "new" company is just the current owners. Just like when Microsoft bought Zenimax (Bethesda) and Activision-Blizzard. They have access to all the information, which is why you didn't have to create all new accounts for every game you owned of theirs.

It doesn't mean they share all information with every company. It's just a blanket statement to cover their butts.

[Kaziklu78]

OMG... first where did this come from what is your source?

the game isn't out so what is your source? Is this from the Alpha?

The data info is all about specific things like survey's. It also is missing context so again what is the source?

The fact it makes specific mention to In-game survey's this looks like it is from the Alpha and nothing seems crazy about this given what it is talking about.

the part about the data in case of sale... again.. yes it is a disclosure. There is very little that is shocking here.

[WarNerve]

It's too late anyhow. All of that info is already out there floating around. That info was collected from you the moment you began an online existence.