Building Support Rules

[klaxas77]

first off let me say im really enjoying this game!

im struggling to figure out the building restrictions. at first I thought it was similar to Ark or Conan, where you can support 2 out from something supporting, but that doesnt seem to work. here is the situation I am in.

I am building a large room, 2 stories. it is 4 foundations deep and 7 wide. if you walk in the middle center, each back corner has a single foundation to support stairs. one stair going up to each foundation, which acts as a corner, and another one from their along the back wall to the second floor (third level technically).

here is the issue I am having. the right side stair going from the corner foundation to the top wont snap in and has a red outline (O in the diagram), while the one on the left worked fine. secondly, the floor tiles where the Xs are in the diagram below are red and wont snap in.

*****O*
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my big concern is since things are not even, I dont understand what the rules are! if anyone has any information, please enlighten me.

[Ravenlute]

I'm told that using pillars help with support. Not sure how that would fit in to your design but maybe under one of your stairs?

[klaxas77]

im sure I can find a decent place to put some pillars. although the stair thats not being placed has me really confused, its on a foundation theres no reason for it to be unsupported.

im more concerned about understanding the rules, I was wondering if anyone had actually worked them out or if they have been explained.

[Kai]

You need wall pieces if you wish to make rooms and doors above the bottom layers, foundation blocks can be stacked on top of each other too.

2 pillars won't allow a wall/window/doorway to be placed on top between them, you need a literal wall underneath it.

You cannot attach a upper floor block to a foundation unless there's a connection by them like stairs or walls.

Also if you use upper floor blocks, then you cannot use hanging light sources under them, only when you have 'roof' tiles that it lets you.

[klaxas77]

I have walls all the way around. this was essentially going to be a basement with all my portals.

[klaxas77]

ok so I did some experimenting off to the side away from my main structure and I think this must be a bug of some kind or im really not understanding things. here are the steps to reproduce this.

1) foundation is 7X2.
2) place walls 2 high on 3 sides, leaving one of the 7 length sides open.
3) place upper floors over the top middle of the 7 length wall, 3 floor sections in total, leaving 2 on each side open.
4) next row of floors is all 7 foundations across.

all of this is behaving like I would expect.

5) place a foundation in each corner.
6) connect stairs from the bottom foundation to the top of the corner foundation in each corner.
7) place stairs from the corner foundation up to the top floor sections. the one on the left works, the one on the right does not, even though they both have the same support.

[❄️The Last Frontier 😊]

yeah I have some support issue questions regarding upper floors and stairs and such. So I was working on my base and I was putting up a second floor. The room is 3X3 stone foundations. So like in most games of this nature I put down my floor stairs in one of the middle foundation pieces along the wall. I then put in some support columns to hold a ceiling floor piece. But when I tried to put in the second stair way going up the the second floor it would not turn green for me and refused to let me place the second stair. I tried a number of various support options like columns and the various archways and nothing was supporting the second set of stairs. Only think that seemed to let me place the second stairs was to put a foundation block under it which unfortunately eats up that entire floor space.

Is there any way to support a second set of stairs without the need to put a foundation block underneath it. Not talking about the first floor foundation piece but the one I have to put on that floor to support the second stair case up.

[ÑåπçΦ§í§]

ive run into this with my base. Turned out to be a stump and a rock inside the foundation. once removed everything snapped in. my base is currently 4x10 with 2 3x5 wings going out to some water. Placing the second floor was where i found the issues. Another Trick you can do is change where the upper floor tile snaps. You can snap a ceiling to another ceiling tile. But it loses support. Remove that same tile and shift around so you see it lock to the wall and now its supported. Building system needs a little polish here and there

[❄️The Last Frontier 😊]

Originally posted by Midnightwolf:

ive run into this with my base. Turned out to be a stump and a rock inside the foundation. once removed everything snapped in. my base is currently 4x10 with 2 3x5 wings going out to some water. Placing the second floor was where i found the issues. Another Trick you can do is change where the upper floor tile snaps. You can snap a ceiling to another ceiling tile. But it loses support. Remove that same tile and shift around so you see it lock to the wall and now its supported. Building system needs a little polish here and there

yeah in this case thats most likely not the issuer as the stack involved is built on the side of a cliff so no trees in this area.

I'll have to try this on flat ground and see if it still happens or if it will work on the right spots

[ZeroKarma]

I laughed the other day reading some guy say this game has a great building system. At the time I was standing in the middle of a bunch of blue blocks I couldn't see through as I tried to snap a roof tile on, the whole time having to press x/v/esc/b choose a piece then press yes I want that piece constantly to delete the piece that snapped wherever it felt like and reopen the build menu because there is no back button in the menu to go from one peice to another. This was just after trying to put a portal on a roof and finding out it has an infinite block under it that goes through to your bottom floor.
Just like all the other systems in this game, it is half arsed and unpolished and a very basic way to do anything. I know its an "early access", but that has to stop being an excuse for lazy game mechanics.

[Kwynon]

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197996144814/screenshot/2470862704783199240/

It really depends on which stairs you are trying to place. The Tudor curving stairs need a foundation under the start of the stair. The straight ones should be usable without a foundation. You can use pillars to build second/third floors and then remove them after everything is built. Most times, the second/third floor will be fine without the pillars in place but they needed them to be built. If you can see my picture, I have only like 3 pillars that go all the way to the ceiling since it needed the support to be built and to stay up. I removed all other support pillars to clear and open up the rooms.

[ThePoetZiggy]

Originally posted by klaxas77:

ok so I did some experimenting off to the side away from my main structure and I think this must be a bug of some kind or im really not understanding things. here are the steps to reproduce this.

1) foundation is 7X2.
2) place walls 2 high on 3 sides, leaving one of the 7 length sides open.
3) place upper floors over the top middle of the 7 length wall, 3 floor sections in total, leaving 2 on each side open.
4) next row of floors is all 7 foundations across.

all of this is behaving like I would expect.

5) place a foundation in each corner.
6) connect stairs from the bottom foundation to the top of the corner foundation in each corner.
7) place stairs from the corner foundation up to the top floor sections. the one on the left works, the one on the right does not, even though they both have the same support.

Some supports and other structures that are needed for further advancement of a large building will only work in one specific direction, and it varies structure to structure, sadly. And yes it is a big bug, unless they just implemented it that way which is even wilder.