What made you think that always online single player was a good idea? I am genuinely curious

[I Did It My Way]

What exactly does always online single player add? It's not like dark souls where you can see echoes of other players, it's not like there's a drop in/drop out system, it's not like sea of thieves where you can just encounter other players, there is literally no purpose for it and all it does is make the game worse. It's harder to code, harder to maintain, and adds 0 value. I refuse to support this feature, I should have the option to play a single player survival craft game offline if I want to, and I encourage others to not purchase this game until an offline mode is added.

Edit: Some people seem to be under the false impression I just hate this game, my whole argument here is that online only games give you no assurance that the product you paid for will be with you long term, rather that when they run out of money from sales and have to shut the servers off you don't have a game to play anymore. I want this game to succeed, I want to be able to play it beyond it's standard lifecycle, I like this game, if it isn't permanently online the gameplay will be just as good if not better because of modding and private hosting, and it will be longer lasting, this is this game's path to success.

[GingerAvenger]

If you set your game to public you CAN encounter other players...

[PortalShifter]

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

It's not like dark souls where you can see echoes of other players, it's not like there's a drop in/drop out system, it's not like sea of thieves where you can just encounter other players, there is literally no purpose for it and all it does is make the game worse.

Other people can visit your realm while you're offline.

[wildbill]

There really is no single player mode. This is a multiplayer online game. So that means 0 - 6 players can play in one realm. What you are calling single player is you just playing with 1 player (you) in a multiplayer game that uses a server. You can't play the game without the server. At some point they might include the server with the game and you would then install that to play offline. At least that is what my understanding is. Maybe the devs will clear this up, but so far when I've said this, no one has shown me this is the wrong explanation.

And you are right. Don't buy the game if you want an offline mode, since of course, it does not have one.

No idea if an actual dev will respond to you. You could try their discord, there is a better chance of finding out why there. I read an article where they said the game was designed as an MMO. So ya, an online game. Most likely it is pretty hard to change a fundamental design decision like that mid development, although some companies have done stuff like that.

[DuX1112]

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

What exactly does always online single player add? It's not like dark souls where you can see echoes of other players, it's not like there's a drop in/drop out system, it's not like sea of thieves where you can just encounter other players, there is literally no purpose for it and all it does is make the game worse. It's harder to code, harder to maintain, and adds 0 value. I refuse to support this feature, I should have the option to play a single player survival craft game offline if I want to, and I encourage others to not purchase this game until an offline mode is added.

Because it has online co-op. If you start a game, play in your single player game for 2 weeks, then invite a buddy for co-op, guess what? The game needs this very rare resource called "Internetium" that it uses to telepathically connect the two game states across the planet, so your buddy can play on the same map that you modified with your actions.

This is why.

[The Seventh Son]

It's not a single player game. It's an mmo that allows you to play privately. This was originally fully an mmo that was changed to instance based allowing for private games instead.

It's an mmo, so treat it like an mmo. If you don't like mmos, don't play this one.

[I Did It My Way]

Originally posted by DuX1112:

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

What exactly does always online single player add? It's not like dark souls where you can see echoes of other players, it's not like there's a drop in/drop out system, it's not like sea of thieves where you can just encounter other players, there is literally no purpose for it and all it does is make the game worse. It's harder to code, harder to maintain, and adds 0 value. I refuse to support this feature, I should have the option to play a single player survival craft game offline if I want to, and I encourage others to not purchase this game until an offline mode is added.

Because it has online co-op. If you start a game, play in your single player game for 2 weeks, then invite a buddy for co-op, guess what? The game needs this very rare resource called "Internetium" that it uses to telepathically connect the two game states across the planet, so your buddy can play on the same map that you modified with your actions.

This is why.

you realise that games have the ability to be offline when you're playing by yourself and can then switch to an online mode when you invite someone else right? I tdoesn't have to be purely one or the other... V rising managed this, enshrouded managed this, palworld managed this, valheim managed this, minecraft managed this, conan exiles managed this, ark managed this, but this game is just incapable huh..

[I Did It My Way]

Originally posted by Ciphersight:

If you set your game to public you CAN encounter other players...

"if you set your game to public" so that means there's a non-public state... aka single player... which could be done offline....

[PortalShifter]

Originally posted by The Seventh Son:

It's not a single player game. It's an mmo that allows you to play privately. This was originally fully an mmo that was changed to instance based allowing for private games instead.

It's an mmo, so treat it like an mmo. If you don't like mmos, don't play this one.

^ This guy gets it.

[I Did It My Way]

Originally posted by wildbill:

There really is no single player mode. This is a multiplayer online game. So that means 0 - 6 players can play in one realm. What you are calling single player is you just playing with 1 player (you) in a multiplayer game that uses a server. You can't play the game without the server. At some point they might include the server with the game and you would then install that to play offline. At least that is what my understanding is. Maybe the devs will clear this up, but so far when I've said this, no one has shown me this is the wrong explanation.

And you are right. Don't buy the game if you want an offline mode, since of course, it does not have one.

No idea if an actual dev will respond to you. You could try their discord, there is a better chance of finding out why there. I read an article where they said the game was designed as an MMO. So ya, an online game. Most likely it is pretty hard to change a fundamental design decision like that mid development, although some companies have done stuff like that.

none of you have managed to answer the question of what value this way of doing things adds... this isn't an MMO you can set your game to private aka only you are able to access that server, so why does it still require you to be online when you do that when you've made it single player. It adds nothing to the game, it adds no value, it just makes the game worse

Also it means that the devs could just rugpull you because once you've played past your 2 hours, if the devs decide to shut the servers down, you can't play the game anymore AND you can't get your money back. It's bad.

[PortalShifter]

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

none of you have managed to answer the question of what value this way of doing things adds...

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Other people can visit your realm while you're offline.

[wildbill]

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

Originally posted by Ciphersight:

If you set your game to public you CAN encounter other players...

"if you set your game to public" so that means there's a non-public state... aka single player... which could be done offline....

Could be, but then we would have to wait 6 months to a year for them to write the game all over again for that.

This game is really a MMO with a modest number of players allowed, so Modestly Multiplayer Online game

[I Did It My Way]

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Originally posted by The Seventh Son:

It's not a single player game. It's an mmo that allows you to play privately. This was originally fully an mmo that was changed to instance based allowing for private games instead.

It's an mmo, so treat it like an mmo. If you don't like mmos, don't play this one.

^ This guy gets it.

So what they have made is the worst of both worlds, you have to deal with server issues and lag and if the devs decide to pull the plug on the game, you lose everything and can't play it anymore even if you only ever played it singleplayer. This is a rugpull in the making if they don't add an offline mode.

[hi]

anticheat :)

[I Did It My Way]

Originally posted by wildbill:

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

"if you set your game to public" so that means there's a non-public state... aka single player... which could be done offline....

Could be, but then we would have to wait 6 months to a year for them to write the game all over again for that.

This game is really a MMO with a modest number of players allowed, so Modestly Multiplayer Online game

like I said to others... if/when they decide to shut the servers down, even if you only ever played singleplayer you lose your game entirely.. it's a rugpull plain and simple.

[I Did It My Way]

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Originally posted by I Did It My Way:

none of you have managed to answer the question of what value this way of doing things adds...

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Other people can visit your realm while you're offline.

that isn't value added by it being permanently online.. you can visit other people's worlds in enshrouded too yet you can still play that offline when you don't want visitors. You realise peer to peer netcode exists right?