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No longer "legit".
So what is the problem here? does this invalidate your chances for getting into the world record books for playing nightingale? does it remove you from the running for the 1,000,000 dollar grand prize? oh wait, none of these things are real.
Does it hurt your gamer rep? people will find out you're playing nightingale, and won't be impressed because they'll think you used exploits? Guess what, no one is impressed in any fashion by what game you play as entertainment. There isn't a "pro league" for nightingale, or tournaments and competitions with cash prizes.
Repeatedly, throughout this whole thread you've stated that the streamers who got free keys are doing this thing. Why does it matter to you? do you own the game studio? Just file it as a cautionary tale for later on when you publish your own video games. Otherwise, it's not your concern what the studio does. You paid to buy a hamburger from mcdonalds. That doesn't entitled you to tell mcdonalds how it runs it's company. Sorry, not a thing. Eat the hamburger (play the game) or not.
And this entire thread tells me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the OP has NEVER set foot in a realm on extreme difficulty. On that difficulty level all the game does is ridiculously inflate the HP on everything. And I mean everything. Even chests and other structures have more HP. A weapon that would one-shot anything else on lower difficulties will do so little damage to mobs on extreme that you will have trouble even seeing their health bar decrease after a hit.
To quote the OP .....
"I was quite happy to farm watch missions and have them rush ahead and kill the boss for me. Too easy. I just shrug, move on and take the win while I can. Better essence drops in the 220 realms anyway and they aren't in them with me and there is no stupid sun giant boss to deal with. Just easier to use the watch public instances while you gear up for 220 stuff and let the heroes do all the work on the bosses for you."
Sounds a bit like exploiting the exploiters ...... a lot of exploiting going on. Everybody gets their share of the pie ..... it warms my heart
Folding definitely does take a while. Mining thousands of ore and smelting it takes hours. Not to mention finding and experimenting with all the different types and combinations. I've probably averaged over five hours PER PIECE of gear enhanced this way.
Still experimenting with other interesting combinations like gilded wood and reclaimed lumber, although I don't think it stacks as well. It certainly eats through wood faster than the ingot folding. From my group's experiments there also seems to be some strange interaction with the stats when you use more different types rather than folding the same one or two types only. The more types used the stranger the effects, like the encumberance skyrocketing until a set of four core tools weighs 400kg+.
One fellow made a knife so extreme that anything hit by it simply disappears and you can't harvest anything with it. He ended up having to scale down. Heheh
A good point was made about the game difficulty settings as well. I've done my whole playthrough on hard mode. Sometimes when I joined friends I may as well have had folded tools before I even learned about the possibility. The gear I had made to just barely survive was one-shotting everything in their easier realms.
Bottom line, I love the possibility and creativity of the crafting system. If you don't like playing with min-max'ers, then don't play with 'em.
you know that GS cant be raised exploiting?
and you also know that ppl over 275 who are actually just 276 because thats the max can easily be achieved without any form of cheating, so even ppl who play the game legit are scum to you lol, go get some hot milk, if your dad didnt come home with it when he said hes buying milk i can actually understand but everything you just said was invalid ranting because GS over 276 doesnt exist and GS in general has nothing to do with exploits but hey, go for it
That's a pretty long way of saying you have no idea how the crafting system works.
The GS is calculated of base materials, not the stats of those materials. A rifle made with a normal ingot and one with the same ingot folded multiple times will give you the same gear score. If you see someone's gearscore that high, its a visual bug because Early Access game.
You have no way of knowing if someone folded ingots with reclaim unless they tell you they did. Player Stats and GS are not the same thing.
Re Writing what I said to mean something you think it could mean does not make my OP what you are trying to claim it means.
I play on the ascended realms mostly. I have no real need for the T3 essence anymore. I got my 2 guns some potion recipes.. the rest I have no real interest in.
The cheaters have ruined my experience of this game. As for the devs fixing it.. I suppose really it doesn't matter when they do, only that they do. At least these people have shown where the duplications and exploits are so they can fix them.
As for my game.. when they patch it and fix the exploits. I'll start a new game. And play it how it's supposed to be played.
There are weapons later in the game.. but these people are using weapons you gain at the watch.. they are rerolling the ingot stats to massively increase the output of the weapons far beyond what they would normally do at lv 100. Just because there's stuff at 220 doesn't mean it's legit to cheat like this, plus, many of the people now at 220.. used the cheats to get there.. so they imo Don't get an opinion on the game, because they cheated.. and i'm pretty sure these people will fold the higher level weapons to such a degree they probably end up breaking their own game.. maybe.. this is why the servers are lagging so much.. all those duplicates.. but they don't care about anyone else but themselves.
First off, no there isn't weapons later in the game... The dauntless / mystic and firearms for sale at the watch are the only thing the ascended vendors sell as well. Unless there is some rare RNG drops I'm unaware of, those are it. Which leads me to...
At level 100?? What? Ok now I get it, you also have no idea how crafting works. Stop crafting with T1 mats... Once you reach the watch you should be able to farm t3 mats. T3 mats plus dauntless axepick, or maul, would get you an item level about 260+. With the winchester rifle, you're looking at about 220 GS.
T3 mats + T3 upgrade + T3 infusion x3 + enchants x3 (where applicable) + charm = 260+ GS level. And that's without folding, because folding doesn't change your GS, the tier level of the mats do.
After that you can harvest T4, and T5 mats, rinse and repeat and you get GS 280 - 290
So basically, you just got to the watch, and saw everyone else with much higher GS and assumed they all cheated, when in reality you've just been crafting things wrong.
That is completely wrong. Craft better gear using better mats, plus that "girly as you call it" Druid gear is the gear that will get you at GS 271 with higher tier mats. You just do not know how to play the game and trying to make it everyone else's problem that you have a skill issue.
1 shotting a vault boss is not intentional in any way at all, its ruining the end game multiplayer feature, a feature designed for 6 players, not 1 ♥♥♥♥ with pistol.
Edit: Now they are playing minor realm cards in the vaults...
While it may not be intentional under the current crafting system (without reclaimed ingots) its still possible, legitimately. Its less that people are saying it isn't an exploit, and more that people aren't grasping how overpowered the crafting system is in this game.
In most game's you can adjust base stats of a piece of gear by a few percentage points, where as here, everything adds up. Based on what you choose as the metal, hide, fibre materials to use, you can squeeze out insane numbers.
Example, you make a piece of clothing, that requires both fasteners and buttons and you use purist ingots to craft those pieces, you're looking at +50% ranged damage and +15% bonus critical damage on top of the base stats. That's not counting all the other mats you use in the craft. You then add that up amongst all the other pieces of your gear, adding 25% and 7.5% respectively every single time a piece of anything needs and ingot, and then you add all that up in the end. You can bust out insane crit shots, no reclaiming ingots required.
The fact is people are used to other games where damage and crit scale up in very small amounts, here, the devs gave us massive numbers to work with, and they all add up in the end. The sun king boss only has about 100k health it seems, hitting a weak spot is instant crit + bonus damage, you then add that to all the damage and crit damage a player can obtain through normal means, its not out of line to see how its happening.
The biggest takeaway from this thread and most of the others, is simply not understanding the crafting system. Which is understandable in itself. Most games are "use x mats get x piece of gear" and the stats are hard coded, its just not like that here.
Suffice to say, even though you are saying its possible to do 100k+ damage in 1 shot via normal crafting (can't confirm, dont see how it would be possible unless your stat stacking and/or manage to get a lucky crit) it does not detract from the fact that vaults no longer have a final challenge.
Currently the vaults are incredibly boring now, there is no risk/reward at all when 1 player kills the boss in less than a second.
My point was just reading through this mess, even the OP thought players should be around GS 100 when they reach the vault, when I had almost 160 GS just from upgrading the Twitch Drops at gloom level. I have never in my 30+ years of gaming told someone to learn to play, I hate that so damn much, but when players start screaming cheater, hacker (another thread), and exploiter and then go on to prove they have absolutely no understanding of how the base system even functions, and no amount of trying to explain gets through, what do you do, ya know?
To your point, there does need to be a rebalance of some of the base stat pieces for sure.