(Updated: third person confirmed) Why is no 3rd person a problem for people?

[Sir Mansel of Macsen]

[July Edit : It seems there is third-person now, which is good, given how many had issues with First person only, though I'll leave this question up as a discussion about the topic]

I came on here because I love what I've seen of the game already and wanted to see what other people were saying about it, but I see a lot of hate getting thrown at it for not having a Third person view (at least as far as we know).

I have to ask, why is this such a problem for others? I genuinely don't understand.

I'm more than happy with the First person perspective, mostly due to my love of FPS games, and my enjoyment of other open world survival games that are First person only like The Forest, Rust, The Long Dark, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and Metro: Exodus. Even in games where I had the option to switch perspectives, like the Elder Scrolls / Fallout games, ARMA 2 and 3, Minecraft, or Starwars Battlefront 2 (the Good one, not the "pride and accomplishment" one), I still preferred the FPS view.

Its not even that I hate Third person view, lord knows I have plenty of TPSs in my library at the moment (Go play Remnant: from the ashes... RIGHT NOW) I just don't understand what difference it makes other than seeing the viewmodel, and I would love some clarification if possible.

[Ankido]

In the end, it all comes down to mechanics. Both, 3rd and First work in certain mechanics. Like I explained before, it's nearly impossible to play Conan Exiles in first person no matter how much you want to.

[Nightruler]

引用自 Sir Mansel of Macsen：

I came on here because I love what I've seen of the game already and wanted to see what other people were saying about it, but I see a lot of hate getting thrown at it for not having a Third person view (at least as far as we know).

I have to ask, why is this such a problem for others? I genuinely don't understand.

I'm more than happy with the First person perspective, mostly due to my love of FPS games, and my enjoyment of other open world survival games that are First person only like The Forest, Rust, The Long Dark, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and Metro: Exodus. Even in games where I had the option to switch perspectives, like the Elder Scrolls / Fallout games, ARMA 2 and 3, Minecraft, or Starwars Battlefront 2 (the Good one, not the "pride and accomplishment" one), I still preferred the FPS view.

Its not even that I hate Third person view, lord knows I have plenty of TPSs in my library at the moment (Go play Remnant: from the ashes... RIGHT NOW) I just don't understand what difference it makes other than seeing the viewmodel, and I would love some clarification if possible.

I’ve had this game on my Wishlist for a short time now and I was really looking forward to buy it early on but only 1st. person view? Why? Tons of games provide a free choice to shift between 1st. and 3rd. person view so it’s absolutely doable.

Looking at the screenshots clearly show a very limited viewing angle and in games you don’t have the peripheral view you have in real life where you can register movements up to almost 180 degrees.

In Conan Exiles I spend at least 95 % of my gaming time in 3rd. person view. I cannot bear to play this type of games solely in 1st. person view for very long.

Actually the only game I know I can play in 1st. person view is Elite Dangerous Horizon and that is from the cockpit of a spaceship with a 360 degree radar, not running around in an open world with the risk of being attacked from all sides.

If they keep this design choice, I’ll probably wait and see how it turns out to be after it has been released.

[Ankido]

引用自 Nightruler：

引用自 Sir Mansel of Macsen：

I came on here because I love what I've seen of the game already and wanted to see what other people were saying about it, but I see a lot of hate getting thrown at it for not having a Third person view (at least as far as we know).

I have to ask, why is this such a problem for others? I genuinely don't understand.

I'm more than happy with the First person perspective, mostly due to my love of FPS games, and my enjoyment of other open world survival games that are First person only like The Forest, Rust, The Long Dark, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and Metro: Exodus. Even in games where I had the option to switch perspectives, like the Elder Scrolls / Fallout games, ARMA 2 and 3, Minecraft, or Starwars Battlefront 2 (the Good one, not the "pride and accomplishment" one), I still preferred the FPS view.

Its not even that I hate Third person view, lord knows I have plenty of TPSs in my library at the moment (Go play Remnant: from the ashes... RIGHT NOW) I just don't understand what difference it makes other than seeing the viewmodel, and I would love some clarification if possible.

I’ve had this game on my Wishlist for a short time now and I was really looking forward to buy it early on but only 1st. person view? Why? Tons of games provide a free choice to shift between 1st. and 3rd. person view so it’s absolutely doable.

Looking at the screenshots clearly show a very limited viewing angle and in games you don’t have the peripheral view you have in real life where you can register movements up to almost 180 degrees.

In Conan Exiles I spend at least 95 % of my gaming time in 3rd. person view. I cannot bear to play this type of games solely in 1st. person view for very long.

Actually the only game I know I can play in 1st. person view is Elite Dangerous Horizon and that is from the cockpit of a spaceship with a 360 degree radar, not running around in an open world with the risk of being attacked from all sides.

If they keep this design choice, I’ll probably wait and see how it turns out to be after it has been released.

Exactly! Same with Ark. No matter how much you love 3rd person, it's impossible to play unless you are first person. It all comes down to mechanics. I used to get dizzy back in the hay days. The longer I played first person the more I got used to it. Same goes with Minecraft, impossible to play in 3rd. It comes down to the developer.

[Spryte]

I am one of those people who hates first person games - especially in a game like this. I've had this game on my wish list - but have just discovered it's going to be first person only. Not that this will make a difference to the devs (or anyone) - but i'm removing the game from my wish list and will not be purchasing.

[Cackles]

引用自 Ankido：

Minecraft is first person.

Minecraft mechanics do certainly favor first person when it comes to it's namesake of mining, but it does still have the option to toggle between the two, so you can still run around and enjoy third person with your custom skin just fine, then toggle back to first person for mining

[Ankido]

引用自 Local Hyena：

引用自 Ankido：

Minecraft mechanics do certainly favor first person when it comes to it's namesake of mining, but it does still have the option to toggle between the two, so you can still run around and enjoy third person with your custom skin just fine, then toggle back to first person for mining

Minecraft is impossible to play on 3rd person. One way or the other, you are bound to flip to first person. Try playing World of warcraft in first person. I've tried it. No Bueno!

[FeLoNiouS]

引用自 Samantha Raven：

If you pay close attention, its only a handful of people that are vocal about it.
The masses ether don't care or excited that its First person.
People that are happy with some thing like First Person are not going to post in forums about it on, maybe just asking question or posting against the people that want third person.

The Majority intrested in this game want first person i believe.
As for what Enign said, he is wrong that majority games like this are third person thats not true maybe majority of them also allow third person and first person.

But One thing is true All Games like this that do both Third Person and First Person, The First Person suffers for it and or gets ignored and devs end up focusing on Third Person and mechanic in only Third Person, a Perfect exsample of this is Conan Exiles that started First person Focus in Early access in the begining and they replace the combat with a Third person focus combat and even changed all the gameplay to force toggle people into third person from first person.

Another game, however i never played it is Ark but Ark 2 thats focusing on Third person, If you go to that forums there a ton i mean way more people there complaining that there no First Person in that game.

My belief is that it would be really bad for this games developers to try and go third person cause it will be at the expense of "first person" like all the rest that try both instead They should instead promote there game more in First Person focus more heavy on improving "first person" to make it more immersive with emotes and all kinds of fun stuff that other games haven't done to steal Ark Fans sense Ark 2 wont have First Person and there sooooo many more people complaining that there isnt First Person there then there are people complaining there isn't Third person here.

Plus another game very successful cause they stuck to First Person even when people complain about third person not being in the game was Cyberpunk 2077.

There are Few Games with character creation and First person focus with RPG elements and a focus on immersion I think devs should stick to this idea to stand out instead of catering to the third person crowd and risk there game becoming just another game that cant manage ot please everybody and instead no one likes it.

For those saying why character creation for first person, Simple immersion if First person made right you have a body in first person with hands plus reflections of water and things also another argument is I can't see my face unless i look in a mirror i still put on makeup or buy cloths to look good and feel good I want that same feeling in games for immersion, even if there first person only.

Plus with ray tracing and such that add reflections and things on water glass and things character creation a most even for first person specially playing with others.

Any ways this all my thoughts on the matter.
Oh and for those want to check the ark 2 forums to see how many people upset about no "first person" and to compair that more people want "first person" then they do "third person":
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2050420/discussions/

Hard to imagine you fitting so much wrong in to that space, but grats....you did it.

[MagmaF451]

Just put a lot of mirrors in the game:). If it's a good game i'll play either way.

[grimoire]

Oh man, first person. This game did sound fun, until I found that out. What's the point of these cool costumes if you can't see them? First person only is often just a lazy excuse not to do the work of modeling the player.

[JJ]

1st person is just way more immersive for me. I get the motion sickness thing for some people, but 1st person just adds so much to it. With ARK 2 going 3rd person only it's nice to know there are still other options like this out there.
This is pretty much an insta buy for me if the release goes well.

[Ankido]

引用自 JJ：

1st person is just way more immersive for me. I get the motion sickness thing for some people, but 1st person just adds so much to it. With ARK 2 going 3rd person only it's nice to know there are still other options like this out there.
This is pretty much an insta buy for me if the release goes well.

I've always had motion sickness from first person games. That all ended over 20 years ago when I constantly forced myself to play them. Motion sickness is in your head. Train you brain and eyes and all will be fine. Like VR, I used to get sick until I forced myself to use it constantly and trained myself.

[Marie]

引用自 Ankido：

引用自 JJ：

1st person is just way more immersive for me. I get the motion sickness thing for some people, but 1st person just adds so much to it. With ARK 2 going 3rd person only it's nice to know there are still other options like this out there.
This is pretty much an insta buy for me if the release goes well.

I've always had motion sickness from first person games. That all ended over 20 years ago when I constantly forced myself to play them. Motion sickness is in your head. Train you brain and eyes and all will be fine. Like VR, I used to get sick until I forced myself to use it constantly and trained myself.

It's good to hear you found a way to circumvent your motion sickness and that it was in your head. I hope you'll love Nightingale and that we won't have to wait long for it.

Am I interpreting you correctly that you're saying that anyone can train themselves out of motion sickness? If so I have to step in and say that unfortunately that's not the case - There's even people who've never had motion sickness in games who started experiencing this in their 30s-40s.
(This thread has a very interesting discussion about it, imho:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1928980/discussions/0/3272437487148397583/ )

Personally it's an FoV issue for me in first-person games, I usually increase FoV and turn off head bobbing/motion blur. Still I prefer third-person for the immersion. ^^

[PensiveWolF]

Allow us to switch between 1st and 3rd as we like, just like nearly every other survival game out there. You won't hurt anyone by having the option to switch. all it does is open the game up to more people and easier playability regardless of what view type you prefer.

all the people in here insisting that 3rd person not be included, I have to ask, if you only want this game to be first person, how would you feel, if the devs said it would only be 3rd person? you'd likely have the same reaction others are having. Don't lie, you would.

Perhaps we are asking for a change, you can see it that way if you want, but in truth we are asking for them to stay consistent with nearly all other games in the genre they are making.

To be able to freely switch between 1st and 3rd view points is a staple of survival games. If you can't understand that, then maybe you aren't a fan of survival games, and this game and others like it aren't for you.

If you insist on only having 1st person view in your game, go play first person shooters like rainbow six and other mindless caveman drivel.

[PensiveWolF]

引用自 Samantha Raven：

If you pay close attention, its only a handful of people that are vocal about it.
The masses ether don't care or excited that its First person.
People that are happy with some thing like First Person are not going to post in forums about it on, maybe just asking question or posting against the people that want third person.

The Majority intrested in this game want first person i believe.
As for what Enign said, he is wrong that majority games like this are third person thats not true maybe majority of them also allow third person and first person.

But One thing is true All Games like this that do both Third Person and First Person, The First Person suffers for it and or gets ignored and devs end up focusing on Third Person and mechanic in only Third Person, a Perfect exsample of this is Conan Exiles that started First person Focus in Early access in the begining and they replace the combat with a Third person focus combat and even changed all the gameplay to force toggle people into third person from first person.

Another game, however i never played it is Ark but Ark 2 thats focusing on Third person, If you go to that forums there a ton i mean way more people there complaining that there no First Person in that game.

My belief is that it would be really bad for this games developers to try and go third person cause it will be at the expense of "first person" like all the rest that try both instead They should instead promote there game more in First Person focus more heavy on improving "first person" to make it more immersive with emotes and all kinds of fun stuff that other games haven't done to steal Ark Fans sense Ark 2 wont have First Person and there sooooo many more people complaining that there isnt First Person there then there are people complaining there isn't Third person here.

Plus another game very successful cause they stuck to First Person even when people complain about third person not being in the game was Cyberpunk 2077.

There are Few Games with character creation and First person focus with RPG elements and a focus on immersion I think devs should stick to this idea to stand out instead of catering to the third person crowd and risk there game becoming just another game that cant manage ot please everybody and instead no one likes it.

For those saying why character creation for first person, Simple immersion if First person made right you have a body in first person with hands plus reflections of water and things also another argument is I can't see my face unless i look in a mirror i still put on makeup or buy cloths to look good and feel good I want that same feeling in games for immersion, even if there first person only.

Plus with ray tracing and such that add reflections and things on water glass and things character creation a most even for first person specially playing with others.

Any ways this all my thoughts on the matter.
Oh and for those want to check the ark 2 forums to see how many people upset about no "first person" and to compair that more people want "first person" then they do "third person":
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2050420/discussions/

"The Majority intrested in this game want first person i believe."

Then you are a fool, the majority of the people who want this game, want a survival game, and most likely have no idea that the devs decided to remove a key survival game feature.

In this genre, the ability to switch camera view from first to 3rd is as much a staple of the game as making your first tools from wood and stone. The mass majority of survival games have the view switch option and all for the better of the community as it doesn't hurt anyone to have the option.

[Grail-ums]

引用自 agentkido：

It comes down to motion sickness, head bobbing, less vision, and just doesn't feel as good to be in first person most of the time.

For guns/bows it's fun to be in first person but if you're going melee or you're carrying something then having third person just feels so much better.

That is a dirty lie.