Battle Pass is a MASSIVE Scam

[Ed :D]

I have completed all weeks 1 - 7 challenges within the pass and have been playing like crazy and I am only on tier 36 out of 90. Save your money.

[-Golden Armor-]

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Yeah it's really tragic, I really thought they were onto something with the fun gameplay, but the greediness and deception came out in the end after all. You can never trust FtP games these days. The only free to play game that hasn't completely ripped anyone off with ridiculousness I would say is Warframe, platinum is definitely an option if you want things done fasted, but you can realistically get everything in that game free of charge and with hard work and dedication. The reason I don't include any other games in this is because most free to play games have a battlepass, and no matter how fair it is...you still have to spend the initial $5~$20 for the pass (and I get that you can save the currency and get the next one, but without that initial battle pass purchase, it is physically impossible to get any future battle passes without spending a dime on the game. AA titles have taken the cake, and notice I say AA and not AAA because every AAA release that isn't a remake or a continuation of something that already exists has been an utter nightmare within the last 2~3 years.

To be fair, every gameplay thing in this game is completely free, the only monetization issues are with the cosmetics,

Warframe is probably the worst example of a F2P game ever, it's a skinnerbox disguised as a game where you pay with your time instead of with money, where other in other games getting a new weapon or gear is mostly from just playing the game, here you have to grind for materials which depending on the rarity can take hours or days, then grinding for the blueprints/parts which, again, depending on where you get said pieces, can take hours, THEN you have to wait 24 hours until the weapon is build only for it to THEN ask you to lvl it up which takes a considerable ammount of time if you don't know the farming methods/don't have the planets with the nodes open, then and only THEN you can actually start buildcrafting.. until you require forma, which you ALSO have to grind for, this is also completely simplifying how crafting works and putting it as the best, most optimal way of getting weapons, it seriously gets even WORSE once syndicate/faction grinding comes into play.

In any other looter shooter the second the weapon/gear drops to the floor and you grab it, it's ready to use.

You HAVE to treat Warframe as a second job if you eventually want to do anything fun with it, 100+ hours of timegating and inane grinding make it one of the LEAST recommendable F2P games in my book.

For all the monetization issues with this game, it's probably one of the most "fair" F2P games out there, a new player will have the exact same experience as someone who has paid 100s of dollars, even comparing it to it's mobile piers which are so stupidly p2w it's a miracle this game has thrived in such an enviroment.

[GrocKing]

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Yeah it's really tragic, I really thought they were onto something with the fun gameplay, but the greediness and deception came out in the end after all. You can never trust FtP games these days. The only free to play game that hasn't completely ripped anyone off with ridiculousness I would say is Warframe, platinum is definitely an option if you want things done fasted, but you can realistically get everything in that game free of charge and with hard work and dedication. The reason I don't include any other games in this is because most free to play games have a battlepass, and no matter how fair it is...you still have to spend the initial $5~$20 for the pass (and I get that you can save the currency and get the next one, but without that initial battle pass purchase, it is physically impossible to get any future battle passes without spending a dime on the game. AA titles have taken the cake, and notice I say AA and not AAA because every AAA release that isn't a remake or a continuation of something that already exists has been an utter nightmare within the last 2~3 years.

Bruh warframe has a paid crafting system wdym it's not problematic. Literally the only reason i stopped playing that game. Don't wanna wait 24 or maybe more hours just to get a new warframe. I'd legit pay 60 bucks if it meant it'd remove all the premium stuff from that game instead of playing it for free and waiting tons of hours just to craft the thing i grinded for hours.

[-Golden Armor-]

Messaggio originale di GrocKing:

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Yeah it's really tragic, I really thought they were onto something with the fun gameplay, but the greediness and deception came out in the end after all. You can never trust FtP games these days. The only free to play game that hasn't completely ripped anyone off with ridiculousness I would say is Warframe, platinum is definitely an option if you want things done fasted, but you can realistically get everything in that game free of charge and with hard work and dedication. The reason I don't include any other games in this is because most free to play games have a battlepass, and no matter how fair it is...you still have to spend the initial $5~$20 for the pass (and I get that you can save the currency and get the next one, but without that initial battle pass purchase, it is physically impossible to get any future battle passes without spending a dime on the game. AA titles have taken the cake, and notice I say AA and not AAA because every AAA release that isn't a remake or a continuation of something that already exists has been an utter nightmare within the last 2~3 years.

Bruh warframe has a paid crafting system wdym it's not problematic. Literally the only reason i stopped playing that game. Don't wanna wait 24 or maybe more hours just to get a new warframe. I'd legit pay 60 bucks if it meant it'd remove all the premium stuff from that game instead of playing it for free and waiting tons of hours just to craft the thing i grinded for hours.

The worst part is, you have to wait 24 hours per warframe part (unless you build all 3 parts together) and THEN wait 3 WHOLE DAYS UNTIL YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE IT

[Ed :D]

Messaggio originale di -Golden Armor-:

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Yeah it's really tragic, I really thought they were onto something with the fun gameplay, but the greediness and deception came out in the end after all. You can never trust FtP games these days. The only free to play game that hasn't completely ripped anyone off with ridiculousness I would say is Warframe, platinum is definitely an option if you want things done fasted, but you can realistically get everything in that game free of charge and with hard work and dedication. The reason I don't include any other games in this is because most free to play games have a battlepass, and no matter how fair it is...you still have to spend the initial $5~$20 for the pass (and I get that you can save the currency and get the next one, but without that initial battle pass purchase, it is physically impossible to get any future battle passes without spending a dime on the game. AA titles have taken the cake, and notice I say AA and not AAA because every AAA release that isn't a remake or a continuation of something that already exists has been an utter nightmare within the last 2~3 years.

To be fair, every gameplay thing in this game is completely free, the only monetization issues are with the cosmetics,

Warframe is probably the worst example of a F2P game ever, it's a skinnerbox disguised as a game where you pay with your time instead of with money, where other in other games getting a new weapon or gear is mostly from just playing the game, here you have to grind for materials which depending on the rarity can take hours or days, then grinding for the blueprints/parts which, again, depending on where you get said pieces, can take hours, THEN you have to wait 24 hours until the weapon is build only for it to THEN ask you to lvl it up which takes a considerable ammount of time if you don't know the farming methods/don't have the planets with the nodes open, then and only THEN you can actually start buildcrafting.. until you require forma, which you ALSO have to grind for, this is also completely simplifying how crafting works and putting it as the best, most optimal way of getting weapons, it seriously gets even WORSE once syndicate/faction grinding comes into play.

In any other looter shooter the second the weapon/gear drops to the floor and you grab it, it's ready to use.

You HAVE to treat Warframe as a second job if you eventually want to do anything fun with it, 100+ hours of timegating and inane grinding make it one of the LEAST recommendable F2P games in my book.

For all the monetization issues with this game, it's probably one of the most "fair" F2P games out there, a new player will have the exact same experience as someone who has paid 100s of dollars, even comparing it to it's mobile piers which are so stupidly p2w it's a miracle this game has thrived in such an enviroment.

Grinding may be boring for you, but many people enjoy the journey that is to be had when getting this new content for free. It is a massive sense of accomplishment, but also a fun journey along the way. Hours of grinding for you may be hours of unending fun for others. Also with Warframe, what you are dumping hours upon hours into making doesn’t just simply go away with time like a battle pass that ends when the season ends, you feel rushed and that is not acceptable or fair when you spent MONEY on the ability to grind out that pass and to go with it, terrible progression to where you would spend just as much time grinding something to get something on a game like warframe, but you may NOT EVEN FINISH IT IN TIME. Warframe crafting works in a way where you can pick it up and grind, and then put it down and continue ANY TIME, granted it’ll take longer to get what you want built, but at least there is no fear of “Oh I spent money on this so I better finish it” or “Oh it is going away so I better rush it” Digital Extremes wants you to enjoy the journey they set out for players while they are grinding for content. It just so happens that it is even more fair because that content can be also acquired free of charge.

[-Golden Armor-]

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Messaggio originale di -Golden Armor-:

To be fair, every gameplay thing in this game is completely free, the only monetization issues are with the cosmetics,

Warframe is probably the worst example of a F2P game ever, it's a skinnerbox disguised as a game where you pay with your time instead of with money, where other in other games getting a new weapon or gear is mostly from just playing the game, here you have to grind for materials which depending on the rarity can take hours or days, then grinding for the blueprints/parts which, again, depending on where you get said pieces, can take hours, THEN you have to wait 24 hours until the weapon is build only for it to THEN ask you to lvl it up which takes a considerable ammount of time if you don't know the farming methods/don't have the planets with the nodes open, then and only THEN you can actually start buildcrafting.. until you require forma, which you ALSO have to grind for, this is also completely simplifying how crafting works and putting it as the best, most optimal way of getting weapons, it seriously gets even WORSE once syndicate/faction grinding comes into play.

In any other looter shooter the second the weapon/gear drops to the floor and you grab it, it's ready to use.

You HAVE to treat Warframe as a second job if you eventually want to do anything fun with it, 100+ hours of timegating and inane grinding make it one of the LEAST recommendable F2P games in my book.

For all the monetization issues with this game, it's probably one of the most "fair" F2P games out there, a new player will have the exact same experience as someone who has paid 100s of dollars, even comparing it to it's mobile piers which are so stupidly p2w it's a miracle this game has thrived in such an enviroment.

Grinding may be boring for you, but many people enjoy the journey that is to be had when getting this new content for free. It is a massive sense of accomplishment, but also a fun journey along the way. Hours of grinding for you may be hours of unending fun for others. Also with Warframe, what you are dumping hours upon hours into making doesn’t just simply go away with time like a battle pass that ends when the season ends, you feel rushed and that is not acceptable or fair when you spent MONEY on the ability to grind out that pass and to go with it, terrible progression to where you would spend just as much time grinding something to get something on a game like warframe, but you may NOT EVEN FINISH IT IN TIME. Warframe crafting works in a way where you can pick it up and grind, and then put it down and continue ANY TIME, granted it’ll take longer to get what you want built, but at least there is no fear of “Oh I spent money on this so I better finish it” or “Oh it is going away so I better rush it” Digital Extremes wants you to enjoy the journey they set out for players while they are grinding for content. It just so happens that it is even more fair because that content can be also acquired free of charge.

I have no issues with Grinding, i play the grindiest games out there, the biggest most blantant problem in my eyes regarding Warframe is that grinding is LITERALLY all the game has to offer, there's no real endgame as it's so piss easy even steel path can be breezed through with any frame and 80% of the armory, when you grind with no end in sight only for your reward to be more grinding, i find that a massive issue.

Warframe has lost a LOT of content over time though, Trials (Warframe version of raids), monthly events that pushed the story forward that happened between 2015 to 2018 (like explaining Alad Vs transformation into a infested, Vor's voyage into the void, the ENTIRETY of Tyl Regor and his tubemen storyline) Clan war (which was effectively a better conclave experience than what we have today), most of the old battlepass rewards (noras mix exist, i know, but it only happens every 6 months if the players are lucky and not ALL rewards come back), etc. the only reaso why people think Warframe has a lot of content that doesn't go away it's because the game is BLOATED with terrible content islands that deviate from what makes the game fun, the core gameplay, 90% of the playerbase sticks to level farming in sedna and showcasing their horrible "fashion" in whatever relay is popular that week.

There's a reason as to why Destiny has double the playerbase of Warframe, and im not saying it's because of the game being better (as a LOT of the Warframe community just LOVES to compare them) but because the grind on that game is fun, you are always chasing a good roll for a weapon you like and the endgame (being raids and trials) are the most rewarding thing you can accomplish and you WILL need your best gear if you want to conquer the master versions of them, it's not a perfect game at all, i despise it's monetization, the content vaulting and the outrageous FOMO, but there is literally nothing else in the market that even comes close to the quality it offers in general.

I say all of this as someone who has played Warframe for over 6000+ hours and just recently dropped it because of how BAD the new war campaign was, Warframe is a skinnerbox disguised as a game and designed to waste as much of the players time as possible so they can say their user engagement is high.

And just a little disclaimer though, i don't mind nor care if you enjoy the game or anyone else does, if you like it more power to you, beneath all the negatives there is a great core as the game is still kicking after all these years (if even less so than in it's golden years) but i would NEVER recommend it to anyone and i really don't like the whole "Warframe is F2P done right!" angle that is being pushed when in reality is everything but.

[Ed :D]

Messaggio originale di -Golden Armor-:

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Grinding may be boring for you, but many people enjoy the journey that is to be had when getting this new content for free. It is a massive sense of accomplishment, but also a fun journey along the way. Hours of grinding for you may be hours of unending fun for others. Also with Warframe, what you are dumping hours upon hours into making doesn’t just simply go away with time like a battle pass that ends when the season ends, you feel rushed and that is not acceptable or fair when you spent MONEY on the ability to grind out that pass and to go with it, terrible progression to where you would spend just as much time grinding something to get something on a game like warframe, but you may NOT EVEN FINISH IT IN TIME. Warframe crafting works in a way where you can pick it up and grind, and then put it down and continue ANY TIME, granted it’ll take longer to get what you want built, but at least there is no fear of “Oh I spent money on this so I better finish it” or “Oh it is going away so I better rush it” Digital Extremes wants you to enjoy the journey they set out for players while they are grinding for content. It just so happens that it is even more fair because that content can be also acquired free of charge.

I have no issues with Grinding, i play the grindiest games out there, the biggest most blantant problem in my eyes regarding Warframe is that grinding is LITERALLY all the game has to offer, there's no real endgame as it's so piss easy even steel path can be breezed through with any frame and 80% of the armory, when you grind with no end in sight only for your reward to be more grinding, i find that a massive issue.

Warframe has lost a LOT of content over time though, Trials (Warframe version of raids), monthly events that pushed the story forward that happened between 2015 to 2018 (like explaining Alad Vs transformation into a infested, Vor's voyage into the void, the ENTIRETY of Tyl Regor and his tubemen storyline) Clan war (which was effectively a better conclave experience than what we have today), most of the old battlepass rewards (noras mix exist, i know, but it only happens every 6 months if the players are lucky and not ALL rewards come back), etc. the only reaso why people think Warframe has a lot of content that doesn't go away it's because the game is BLOATED with terrible content islands that deviate from what makes the game fun, the core gameplay, 90% of the playerbase sticks to level farming in sedna and showcasing their horrible "fashion" in whatever relay is popular that week.

There's a reason as to why Destiny has double the playerbase of Warframe, and im not saying it's because of the game being better (as a LOT of the Warframe community just LOVES to compare them) but because the grind on that game is fun, you are always chasing a good roll for a weapon you like and the endgame (being raids and trials) are the most rewarding thing you can accomplish and you WILL need your best gear if you want to conquer the master versions of them, it's not a perfect game at all, i despise it's monetization, the content vaulting and the outrageous FOMO, but there is literally nothing else in the market that even comes close to the quality it offers in general.

I say all of this as someone who has played Warframe for over 6000+ hours and just recently dropped it because of how BAD the new war campaign was, Warframe is a skinnerbox disguised as a game and designed to waste as much of the players time as possible so they can say their user engagement is high.

And just a little disclaimer though, i don't mind nor care if you enjoy the game or anyone else does, if you like it more power to you, beneath all the negatives there is a great core as the game is still kicking after all these years (if even less so than in it's golden years) but i would NEVER recommend it to anyone and i really don't like the whole "Warframe is F2P done right!" angle that is being pushed when in reality is everything but.

Sounds like someone just likes to spend money and get what they want immediately through minimal effort and hates the journey with friends these F2P games offer...Notice how I don't deter anyone from Farlight in these posts, rather warn them of the transaction bearing content. If you don't enjoy the completely free grind that free to play games offer and the journey is sets out with friends, then that's your opinion. I personally think that asking a fee for a battle pass that has a limited completion window(most do), but to just unlock TRIAL TIME ITEMS on the premium track and then telling people "oh well" when the pass period ends when you grinded an ungodly amount and only made it to tier 60~70 tops is ABSURD especially when the timed trial items on the premium track expire from your in-game inventory and you realize you grinded for a preview of what MONEY can buy.

[Im_not_Fat]

BP with free reward's better than is BP in other game where you can get only icons.BP i's like subscribe in free games you can bay it but if you wount you can stl play free

[Ed :D]

Messaggio originale di СодокийЛицар:

BP with free reward's better than is BP in other game where you can get only icons.BP i's like subscribe in free games you can bay it but if you wount you can stl play free

Reading this was harder than completing the battle pass :)

[GrocKing]

Messaggio originale di Ed :D:

Messaggio originale di СодокийЛицар:

BP with free reward's better than is BP in other game where you can get only icons.BP i's like subscribe in free games you can bay it but if you wount you can stl play free

Reading this was harder than completing the battle pass :)

Not everyone has english as their first language or have a high end english knowledge. I understood what he said tbh.

I think apart from trial items BP is fine-ish. It is extremely grindy though that's for sure. Played more than 80 matches probably and i'm at like what? 39 or 40 or something.

Also there is the fact that you can get pretty good cosmetics outside of BP. From events and ranked mode and then there is the lootbox that costs 5k coins or something (even though i hate lootboxes)

[A Suspicious Crayon]

I played 4 matches and i am on lvl 20 of the pass....

[Ed :D]

Messaggio originale di A Suspicious Crayon:

I played 4 matches and i am on lvl 20 of the pass....

Probably because you completed week 1-8 challenges in the process, wait till all those week challenges run out, then you’ll be itching for a single tier

[Keeaaar]

uhm im currently level 54 in the battlepass, and there is 27 days left before it expires, is it true we only get 1 level per day in the BP? and does the weekly missions end in week 9? or will they add week 10 and so on? coz i think I wont get to level 90 if I dont spend $20 more or less.
PS just started playing this game last week S8 and immediately drawn by the skins and gameplay xD

[It is my CAT]

20 hours (3 days+-) -> 37 level (near 38, actually). I have still 27 days) If i hit 90 lv, i will buy it) I can say, in Naraka there are 115 levels for 60+ days and last SP i did in one month.

[RileyX]

I dont need a BP. Im just hoping for more female characters and skins . :3

[csasq]

One Battle Pass is given for about 90 days. If you play every day and get 9 DP then you can get to level 81. Throw in the weekly missions and level 90 is no longer a problem.

But what should I do if I'm a new player and I've only been playing for two weeks (I'm on Battle Pass level 55)?.. For $20 I can buy a good game on Steam. I'm not ready to spend that kind of money on a game whose developers focus on cosmetic items, and not on fixing bugs.