A good game getting a bad treatment...

[Sub Urban Mum]

First and foremost I was thinking about posting anything regarding this game and its state.
I played it back when it got released by Motiga, I waited for hours and hours to get a beta key back then because I really wanted to play it, test it and enjoy the game because back then after games like LoL, Hots, Dota and all it was a refreshing and interesting new take on a game, the art is gorgeous, the models/chars are individual in their own and tbh for me it was something that had great potential.

That being said, the game released back then together with Overwatch, which was the worst possible thing that could have happened to it, it was basically it's downfall and I think if they would have waited for the Overwatch Hype to die down a little more, it could have been a little more successful as a Title as it has been.

I got the Version of the game that costed roughly around 60 bucks I guess and was really sad after they announced the cancellation of GIGANTIC back then.
To be fair I hoped that every little purchase could help peak the interest of further development but meh..

Now that the game is coming back at first I could not help myself but be super happy about it, I played the game in the Playtest and it was somewhat great but sad in some aspects aswell.
Considering the info we got so far as of 20 bucks to get it, just a few updates and ranked mode, it kinda doesn't feel right to me in some way.
If there would be a little more of a way that communicates "We really want you to be able to play this great game, that sadly was overtaken by bigger Titles in its time, so we want to push it and give it the time of day it deserves" -- but it's more or less a "We kinda liked this and we know there is a few thousand people that wanna play this, so pay up and we keep it running until it's not worth it anymore" type of communication and I really don't know what to think about it.

On one hand I would love to play it and support this game again on the other hand and seeing the state it is in, the way the game will be put out and won't be having any big changes and updates and celebratory things that this game deserves in my eyes,makes me feel like just and exploit of an already dead game that just should've been put to rest OR at least be taken the core Idea and inspiration from and made into something like GIGANTIC2 or something.

What baffles me even more is the fact that a game like Paragon back then, where they decided here is everything we had take it and make your own thing out of it, seems to work but here they claim the old code here, UE3 there and so on, which would make it difficult to do something with it.

My hopes are up to be fair, in regards of that old Motiga Staff is seeing this and they hop back on and get their vision to be out there and be able to do what they wanted to do, maybe I get the game for less, which is contradicting to the whole supporting thing, but I don't see any price tag really worth it at the moment, especially for a big Studio like GREARBOX.

But well thats just my thoughts on the Game.

TLDR: Love the game but it seems not that worth it, besides nostalgia and having a different game in a world of it's all the same. Take it with a grain of salt please I mean no harm, just a little sad I guess

[©ThΣKämikαzeMΏήkΞ¥s™]

The game isn't for free. Devs want people to support games by paying the deserving price. If you wish this game to be a F2P freemium live service game, then you can keep dreaming. Live service is against customer trust conduct and they won't go to that route. There is no place for the poor if they can't support the devs. Getting a job is easy, and devs are making games not only for passion, but because they also have families to feed their mouth and pay the rent.

[yxmyyxmy]

tbh I have the same feeling as you do, and it's most likely true that there might be little to no further development for the game since the studio is relatively small. However, I would still buy the game for me and my friends to show the devs there is player interest to this game and hopfully the publisher would consider treating this game with more care by hiring new employees to update the game down the line.

[Sub Urban Mum]

Originally posted by Stelio Kontos, The Provocateur.:

The game isn't for free. Devs want people to support games by paying the deserving price. If you wish this game to be a F2P freemium live service game, then you can keep dreaming. Live service is against customer trust conduct and they won't go to that route. There is no place for the poor if they can't support the devs. Getting a job is easy, and devs are making games not only for passion, but because they also have families to feed their mouth and pay the rent.

My intention isn't a simple "MaKe tHe GaMe FoR frEE", besides the fact that it was a free game before and you had your usual buy cosmetics and boosts and stuff, so there is a way to finance a game one way or another, also if you consider the game is this old and not even developed by them, what kind of price tag is adequate is the question, cuz you will find it for way less that's for sure.

Originally posted by Vaidor:

tbh I have the same feeling as you do, and it's most likely true that there might be little to no further development for the game since the studio is relatively small. However, I would still buy the game for me and my friends to show the devs there is player interest to this game and hopfully the publisher would consider treating this game with more care by hiring new employees to update the game down the line.

I've read some stuff about the whole developement route they have chosen and my guess would be that they either hire old Motiga Staff or they find a way to understand the base line code, the way it is coded and make it their own thing out of it I guess.
Sure buying it and peaking more interest is a way, but as I said for me personally I feel like it's more of a quick cash grab in some way and that just doesn't sit right with me...

[the poopshitter]

We'll have to wait and see I guess.
I'm hyped for this personally, but you're totally right to be skeptical and careful in today's predatory gaming market.
It's never fun to take away something that used to be available as free2play years ago and put it behind 20 dollars, when it could totally just end up flopping in terms of playercounts all the same like the original and the servers could get shut down in a few months anyway, except THIS time EVERYONE wasted 20 bucks, not just supporters.

But hey, worst case scenario if it won't be functional on launch, steam refund requests get auto-accepted if playtime if below 2 hours and it hasn't been over 14 days since the purchase.
Otherwise, you can still request a refund even over 2 hours if the game shuts down and stops being playable a month or two down the line, but at that point your refund request would have to be manually reviewed.

All in all though, if the servers will stay up just fine for a long time and we get a way to play offline or host our own servers, The silver lining is that you (hopefully they don't break this promise) pay for the game once and get to enjoy everything in it with no ridiculous cosmetic microtransactions, mAcrotransactions, or stupid battle passes that make the game into a chore simulator.

While going pay2play will surely mean "playercounts won't be as big as they could have been", it's not all bad.

[yxmyyxmy]

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

I've read some stuff about the whole developement route they have chosen and my guess would be that they either hire old Motiga Staff or they find a way to understand the base line code, the way it is coded and make it their own thing out of it I guess. Sure buying it and peaking more interest is a way, but as I said for me personally I feel like it's more of a quick cash grab in some way and that just doesn't sit right with me...

That's what I initially thought too, about $20 being quick cash grab. But seeing there are advertisements on Instagram and Twitter, i was like "If this is just to make a quick buck from the og fans, why are they spending money marketing the game?", so I feel like for them it's to test the waters. If the game is well received, they might put more resources into the game. That's what I'm thinking and hoping for. Nevertheless, $19.99 is still at least affordable to me so ima give them one last chance and hope for the best lol...... but no hard feelings, you do you my friend! :)

[Imperious Rex]

Releasing alongside OW wasn't what killed it, really.
Forced Ram req that it didn't need and locked to Windows Store only until its last few months were major contributing factors.

[Penta]

Originally posted by Imperious Rex:

Releasing alongside OW wasn't what killed it, really.

This video explains it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YimtQv7_Qw0

[Chasemans]

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

First and foremost I was thinking about posting anything
That being said, the game released back then together with Overwatch, which was the worst possible thing that could have happened to it, it was basically it's downfall and I think if they would have waited for the Overwatch Hype to die down a little more, it could have been a little more successful as a Title as it has been.

The Overwatch timing was unfortunate, but you can't expect a smaller development team to have the money to hold back their title for months to wait for the hype of a bigger title to die down.

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

Now that the game is coming back at first I could not help myself but be super happy about it, I played the game in the Playtest and it was somewhat great but sad in some aspects aswell.
Considering the info we got so far as of 20 bucks to get it, just a few updates and ranked mode, it kinda doesn't feel right to me in some way...

I would have rather they charged $40-50 for the game, but with an engine upgrade. It would have been nice to get rid of the 60fps and maybe new lighting and effect system. The game doesn't look bad due to the fantastic art design, but the game would look amazing with improvements to lighting, added occlusion and higher frame rates.

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

My hopes are up to be fair, in regards of that old Motiga Staff is seeing this and they hop back on and get their vision to be out there and be able to do what they wanted to do, maybe I get the game for less, which is contradicting to the whole supporting thing, but I don't see any price tag really worth it at the moment, especially for a big Studio like GREARBOX

We don't really know how much funding Gearbox is offering them and how much they play a role in development. They could just be giving them a skeleton crew with enough money to get the game off the ground. I hope this isn't the case because I would like to see this game do well enough to warrant further support or even a sequel in the coming years.

I'm skeptical but still happy to see the game coming back. I really do hope they remove the 60fps cap because I do think that'll keep a lot of people from buying it.

[Tarv]

I wouldn't hold my breath if the original dev team isn't involved. If they couldn't or wouldn't be hired on by now what's the likelyhood they will be later? From what I can see Motiga was shut down in 2017 and I'd imagine the devs are split to the four winds with other jobs to attend to

[yxmyyxmy]

Originally posted by Tarv:

I wouldn't hold my breath if the original dev team isn't involved. If they couldn't or wouldn't be hired on by now what's the likelyhood they will be later? From what I can see Motiga was shut down in 2017 and I'd imagine the devs are split to the four winds with other jobs to attend to

I feel like it's a gamble for them. If the game is well received, then they might hire the original dev team to further develop the game; if not, then the game's gonna just die a second time.

[©ThΣKämikαzeMΏήkΞ¥s™]

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

My intention isn't a simple "MaKe tHe GaMe FoR frEE",

It was a wake up call so you can take it as it is, it was not meant to answer the question.

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

besides the fact that it was a free game before and you had your usual buy cosmetics and boosts and stuff,

Which was considered to be against consumer rights. Some parts of the world imposed laws on microtransactions on virtual items for a reason, regardless if it is cosmetic or if it gives play an advantage. That's why devs want to put a price tag on their product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulations_protecting_consumers_from_microtransactions

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

so there is a way to finance a game one way or another

But not all of the game financing ways are always the correct aproach if devs want a quick buck.

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

also if you consider the game is this old

Well, in this case, not anymore as they will upgrade it in some way, obviously...

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

and not even developed by them,

Everyone knows that.

Originally posted by Sub Urban Mum:

what kind of price tag is adequate is the question, cuz you will find it for way less that's for sure.

Now, back to the topic, less or bigger price, that's their entire prerogative to price their product the quantity as they please. You might agree or disagree with the price, but for tem, every player is just a customer, like us.

[Penta]

Originally posted by Stelio Kontos, The Provocateur.:

Which was considered to be against consumer rights. Some parts of the world imposed laws on microtransactions on virtual items for a reason, regardless if it is cosmetic or if it gives play an advantage. That's why devs want to put a price tag on their product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulations_protecting_consumers_from_microtransactions

Please stop spreading misinformation - Microtransasctions arent against consumer rights, else there wouldnt be any in any games - deceptive and unfair practices to lure you into spending money on those is.

[©ThΣKämikαzeMΏήkΞ¥s™]

Originally posted by Penta:

Please stop spreading misinformation

If I were you, you wouldn't be saying that microtransactions isn't against consumer rights because it is outrightly considered misinformation. So that's where you should take your own advice.

Originally posted by Penta:

Microtransasctions arent against consumer rights,

If microtransactions weren't prohibited, then the particular article i sent wouldn't exist, and the devs wouldn't decide to revive this game in the first place.

Originally posted by Penta:

else there wouldnt be any in any games

And some of the games are being changed, while others are doing same practices in where countries allow it, but the percentage atm is little.

Originally posted by Penta:

deceptive and unfair practices to lure you into spending money on those is.

There is no difference. Microtransactions is illegal in the eyes of the law as it is evident that is against the wishes of any consumer. If you wanna inform yourself before spitting another word further, I'd sugest you to take a look:
https://strebecklaw.com/microtransaction-regulations-gaming/
https://osf.io/cdwhq/download

The governments saw the negative effects live service type f2p games have on its consumers. Defending the actions of the games that still do it only puts you in a very bad place and that won't make you look good in the long run.

[Penta]

Originally posted by Stelio Kontos, The Provocateur.:

If microtransactions weren't prohibited, then the particular article i sent wouldn't exist, and the devs wouldn't decide to revive this game in the first place.

I quoted "deceptive and unfair practices" directly from your own link - maybe you should try to understand what you are talking/posting about, before attacking strangers on the internet - have a great day.

[©ThΣKämikαzeMΏήkΞ¥s™]

Originally posted by Penta:

I quoted "deceptive and unfair practices" directly from your own link

In which why microtransactions were mentioned as a "deceptive and unfair practice" in the webpage. If the only "deceptive and unfair practices" part is all you choose to focus out of selective ignorance instead of addressing the whole blog, then sorry to say, such action indicates that you have a shorter attention span or chances are that you are disregarding the proof intentionally.

Originally posted by Penta:

maybe you should try to understand what you are talking/posting about

That's where you should take your own advice.

Originally posted by Penta:

before attacking strangers on the internet

Please cite and quote me out where did I attack anyone in this thread.

Originally posted by Penta:

have a great day.

Nobody is forcing you to stay, you know?