For the love of god dear Devs

[Bernard The Gurnard]

I always (and others) play with a keyboard no matter which racing game I am playing whether 4 wheels or 2.

Please please please add the option for us to change the driving keys as this is just archaic and unnecessary. Why on earth are we restricted to the WASD keys without allowing us to use the arrow keys which just about all ALL 'driving games' have even as a minimal/legacy/basic options like in the Nascar games.

This is basic stuff as would be the implementation of allowing use to change them. Why have you chosen to leave out this option? Are you doing it to annoy keyboard players or what?

[saint.galaad]

Originally posted by Bernard The Gurnard:

Why on earth are we restricted to the WASD keys without allowing us to use the arrow keys which just about all ALL 'driving games' have even as a minimal/legacy/basic options like in the Nascar games.

This is basic stuff as would be the implementation of allowing use to change them.

I play with a keyboard but i bought a xbox controller to have more settings in TT 3 (and more feeling).
The big difference betwwen kb & xbox controller is that u can't manage sensivity and dead zone with keyboard, BUT u CAN change the default keys settings WASD to custom L-R-Up-Down.
Take a look at the COMMAND to change WASD to arrow keys Lt-Rt-Up-Dn.
I've used the arrow keys with my kb and it work perfectly, u are " allowing us to use the arrow keys" !
Best regards.

[Bernard The Gurnard]

Originally posted by Bernard The Gurnard:

Originally posted by Sniffer:

I agree with you on this but...i'm sorry; i apologise in advance for if there's a specific reason why but...i have to ask this question as politely as i can...

Why do you play on keyboard (with everything including 4 or 2 wheels)...?

If you have some sort of issue or specific reason then i'm just curious as to why keyboard - you're not the first individual i have seen requesting this but, i've never asked.

On a side note: I think as a majority, the only time you'll have the ability to use/change keyboard input will be in 1st person games or games that are designed with an inclination towards the keyboard - AND then there's been many games that still are bound to WASD.

Anyway, again apologies for the question...just rather interested to know.
THX

Hi Sniffer no problem with asking why keyboard. It's nice to hear from you.

There are a few reasons that add up to this choice I make. I started (PC only) gaming in around 1995. I have never owned a console and therefor I never got used to a controller although now I do have an Xbox controller. Every time I try to use it I get frustrated with it and end up giving up on it. I rarely if ever play MP because I have little competitive spirit which means I play for my own pleasure only so I have no 'need' to be the best.

I have a G27 and I have the controller but I like the keyboard. I am not a young man so I have little concentration and I play for only minutes at a time.

I will disagree with you about one thing and that is that 99% of my racing/driving/riding games and I have over a 100 do allow keyboard use and customisation even some of the Nascar games have legacy controls.

Nice to speak to you and for one I appreciate the politeness, it's refreshing. Have a great day

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Originally posted by saint.galaad:

I play with a keyboard but i bought a xbox controller to have more settings in TT 3 (and more feeling).
The big difference betwwen kb & xbox controller is that u can't manage sensivity and dead zone with keyboard, BUT u CAN change the default keys settings WASD to custom L-R-Up-Down.
Take a look at the COMMAND to change WASD to arrow keys Lt-Rt-Up-Dn.
I've used the arrow keys with my kb and it work perfectly, u are " allowing us to use the arrow keys" !
Best regards.

Hi saint.galaad.

The game does allow a custom setup but there are keys that can't be used and they are the arrow keys and the number 4 key on the keypad. I have read your post and don't quite understand what you mean by 'Take a look at the COMMAND to change WASD to arrow keys Lt-Rt-Up-Dn.
I've used the arrow keys with my kb and it work perfectly, u are " allowing us to use the arrow keys" !'

Could you explain please?

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Hello again Sniffer.

Originally posted by Sniffer:

Again...apologies in advance for those that use keyboard...

However, since i have never asked this question before (don't know why), i'd just like to know why individuals use the keyboard with games that are more than likely specifically designed for use with a controller or other simulation type hardware?

The only reasons i assume people use keyboard due to either having, A: An affliction of the body or B: Are playing on a laptop travelling (but even laptops users play with controllers).

I'd just like to know that if a game is predominantly designed to be controlled by controller, why are there users that purchase games like this that require a controller, yet state they play on keyboard???

I would just like to know why keyboard...?

THX

Racing games are actually still usually supportive of the keyboard and have been from the off. It's ingrained and traditional so there is little 'specifically controlled' attitude from 99% of devs. Many keyboard players deem the lack of full keybpard implementation as 'lazy programming and from my point of view see it as ignorant and with a 'why wouldn't they' when the lack of full implementation only stops the purchase of those games for those people. But...

I'm not so worried about it in this case because I have been able to use the Home, Delete, End and Page Down keys to mimic the block of four arrow keys which is a larger stretch for my aching hands. It's an age thing :-/ I have here suggested a few reasons why I for one just 'prefer' the use of a keyboard. It's not just a black and white thing.

I'll just finish by saying I have all 3 of the Isle of Man TT games and apart from this one we are able to use the arrow keys - why not this one to keep a little consistency? The question for me is why don't fully implement it.

By the way this is not my primary steam account.

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Edit. There are some very good reasons in this thread as to the benefit of implementing as much controller support as possible. A few unhappy players here: Maybe this bunch simply are actually practising lazy programming...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1924170/discussions/0/5294588689498385249/

[saint.galaad]

@Bernard The Gurnard,

You're right, I forgot that on my keyboard I had assigned the Home/End (Acceleration/Rear Braking) and Delete/PageDown (Left/Right) keys.
Indeed, it is not possible to validate the direction keys BUT they can be assigned and check with the control gauge that the direction keys are active and only them.
So I think the problem is only on the display of keys during validation that appear with a "?" instead of the key name.
This is also why I switched to the Xbox controller to have more settings.
The developers should be told to correct this display problem for validation because the keys are well assigned. This problem seems easy to solve for them.
I hope this will help you.
c u

[2 Slow]

dude.. take a controller :D game good free button settings.. nice feedback over rumble .. u will like it.. no matter xbox or ps4 controller

[Bernard The Gurnard]

Hi saint.galaad. Yes I have seen the arrow keys responding to the appointment to the controls but even when they appear as '?' one cannot save the control-set keys as they are seen as not appointed and need to be set as 'usable' keys.

[saint.galaad]

@ Bernard The Gurnard,
Exactly, that's why i 've posted on 10 juin à 13h24 this BUG in the topic "TT Isle of Man: Ride on the Edge 3 | Bug Report".
to be continued...

[BAG-One]

I'm interested on how you can even play a bike racing game on keyboard. How do you input a very slight amount of turn? I'm not criticising you and am impressed if you can make it work.
I played with a keyboard on the original version of MotoGP (released in 2000 I think) and on the 2007 version. Once I got the 2013 version I got an Xbox controller and would not think of going back to keyboard.

[Bernard The Gurnard]

Originally posted by BAG-One:

I'm interested on how you can even play a bike racing game on keyboard. How do you input a very slight amount of turn? I'm not criticising you and am impressed if you can make it work.
I played with a keyboard on the original version of MotoGP (released in 2000 I think) and on the 2007 version. Once I got the 2013 version I got an Xbox controller and would not think of going back to keyboard.

Hi BAG-One. From my personal perspective playing with a keyboard never was a game-winning choice as I have said in my longer post/s above. But the skill is to do lots of key tapping to get around the corners as smooth as you can. There is no magic it's just about skill and perseverance.

I can see why other players may think we are lunatics but I will say that a good keyboard user (and I don't count myself as one) can work wonders with it. I used to head up a Dirt Rally 2 Club and I saw many DR2 KB players on Youtube absolutely nailing it beyond belief.

It tends to get derided by some (not you) but the irony is that a great KB user has far more skills than any other controller user on a win per win basis if that makes sense

If I could be bothered with learning to use my Xbox wired controller I tell you now I would use it ;-)

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It's starting again...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2108330/discussions/0/6226836983324355397/

[BAG-One]

I tip my hat to you Bernard.
As I mentioned, I had the first version of MotoGP and had a LOT of fun with it. The first covid lockdown was when I dug it out and started playing it again and I remembered my frustration with having to do a lot of key tapping. The fact that you can even play the newer games doing so is impressive.

On a side note, the fact that I was able to dig out a game (on an actual CD) that was nearly 20 years old and still play it at the time is something I fear is now lost. I'm already getting frustrated at games that have their servers turned off and don't have a locally saved leaderboard which means that with some of them you don't have a saved best time on each track. In this age of downloaded games i's almost as though we now "rent" a game rather than buy it.

[W.B. Yeats]

Useful keyboard warrior tool:
https://www.autohotkey.com/

For TT3 on a keyboard all I really want, at least, is to set up the classical A+Z (throttle), then . and , keys (steering) and finally the LeftAlt - Right Alt keys (gear up/down). Most of those you can reassign absolutely fine in-game, but you cannot config the Alt keys in TT3. So instead I assign gear up/down to other keys in-game (e.g. i and k keys) and then use the following kind of simple ahk script to bind the Alt keys to the i and k keys:

#singleinstance force
LAlt::i
RAlt::k

Just as an example of using AHK that takes the hassle out of waiting for games to let you reassign the keyboard or mouse the exact way you want, all the best, Kab

[Bernard The Gurnard]

Thanks guys for your input.

I think we are in a position where the older gamer is being ignored in this area as the march forward continues because they have no consideration for 'us' who seem to be treated like a lost and declining consumer. Ta very much by the way...!

We do still pay the same though...

Lazy programming still prevails but I guess - what else could be the reason...?

Thanks for the link W.B. Yeats. I will check it out

Time for me to go as I've said enough - thanks for everyone's input it's been a great and civilised discussion fron the off ;-)