Question for people who romanced Pan and Apollo (spoilers for the whole game)

[Ellixer]

I'm curious about how much variation there is to the plot, and I wonder if I got lucky with my run given how linear a lot of the events are.

So when given the opportunity to, I chose Freddie over Pan and later Persephone over Apollo. Eventually, I ended up romancing Freddie. Given the linear nature of the plot, at least in the broad strokes, I was surprised how appropriate this turns out for my run, as I feel Freddie and Persephone just had more presence in the plot compared to Apollo and Pan.

After the songs which introduce them respectively, both Apollo and Pan just hanged around in the periphery, taking very supportive roles, I thought. Pan especially barely left his place in new Olympus until the very end.

By contrast, Persephone accompanies Grace to the Underworld and has a much larger presence (taking the lead in at least two songs, not counting her romance songs). Freddie likewise accompanied Grace to at least three different places even before Act 3 and is involved in the Underworld sequence, which I think is one of the two climaxes of the plot. So in my run, romances with both of them feel like the intended routes, as much of the drama just involve them, as opposed to Pan, who I thought felt like an outsider to the plot, and whose involvement is much more incidental.

And I wonder, for those who picked Apollo and/or Pan over those two, are those your experiences as well? Or do you feel differently? Or perhaps certain events play out differently that the two guys have more of a hand in the plot and drama?

[tonyastark14121]

I think Apollo has plenty of presence if you choose him. The party also alters a bit so Grace and Apollo are more friendly/flirty to each other so that's nice.

Pan has much less screen time, even if you choose him over Freddie and then go talk to Medusa with him. Then again, if you chose Pan and didn't bring Freddie back from the Underworld, then Pan is more present in the story than Freddie I feel.

[YESS i'm a MESS]

So my first time, I played siding with Freddie and Persephone (although I bungled a romance ending, haha). I'm now in a new save where I sided with Pan and Apollo and I'm attempting to romance Pan.

So, there's some scenes where certain characters will always be there, but there's others where the character you sided with in their conflicts will show up instead. The biggest moment I noticed this is when confronting Medusa: if you sided with Freddie, she shows up with a bag full of gear and ends up distracting Medusa with a jury-rigged flame thrower. If you sided with Pan, HE is your sidekick in that adventure instead, and interrupts Medusa by using his pipes to snake charm her. The confrontation about what Pan knew about Calliope and the reliquary happens AT Medusa's lair, too, instead of in Pan's garden later on.

When it comes to Persephone and Apollo, whoever you sided with becomes the mentor to Grace and is generally who you're going to get exposition from. The most interesting part of that to me is that it means you're getting their perspectives of the past through the eyes of whoever you sided with! For example, you learn about the former name of Persephone and Apollo's current forms, and who they were, and how the eidolon passed to them, if you sided with them. Whoever you didn't side with isn't gonna tell you anything that personal. And most of what Persephone tells you about the past of the Idols is (understandably) centered around everything that happened with Hades. Apollo tells you more about "the" war instead... He, uh, had more of a role in it than he's willing to speak on if you chose Persephone over him (which explains a LOT of his self-loathing, honestly).

That being said, there's still plenty of scenes that don't change too much. Apollo is always the one at Aphrodite's party and the one that tells you about the Veil. Freddie is always there for helping Asterion... And she's always going to be stabbed by the Fates. Persephone is your guide to the Underworld and Apollo always refuses to go there. And no matter what, Freddie is willing to give you a bunch of info about Greek myths.

I think Pan is the one that ends up getting the short stick the most (which is a bummer since he's my favorite)--he really prefers to not put himself in harm's way, whereas Freddie is ALWAYS ready for adventure, so she just does way more. He's got some great stuff at Medusa's, though. The Apollo/Persephone split is more even, since you're going to talk to the person you sided with way more and hear their perspective on everything. Hades is definitely a big important part of the plot, it's true, but you only get the cliffnotes of Apollo's knowledge if you don't side with him, and he's got a loooot of world building to share.

[Hunter Wolf]

Their called The Furies btw and Pan does a lot for you if you date him.

[Ellixer]

Thanks for the answers folks. So it seems there's still a difference (Persephone still gets to star in the underworld song, and Pan still gets the short end of the stick), just not as stark a difference as I thought. That's pretty cool and makes sense. It's a bit of an ask for this type of game and with a small dev team to write more songs or more versions of existing songs that half your players are going to miss entirely (romance-specific songs notwithstanding).

[Whitepearl]

Originally posted by Hunter Wolf:

Their called The Furies btw and Pan does a lot for you if you date him.

My Grace romanced him (blessed the man he's so charismatic) but I still couldn't see the difference with his help though? In my playthrough: He handed you the map to Calliope's apartment -> can help you with taking you to Persephone in the club if you choose the right choice -> Send you to Hacate, will follow you Viper's Lair if you chose him in I Can Teach You. Was there any event I missed?

[Ellixer]

He always do those things (except the club part), but I suspect he has more of a role if Freddie dies? I'm not sure myself. In my run it was Freddie who suggested the Chorus dissolve and the Idols reveal themselves, and I take it Pan is the one who makes the suggestion if Freddie is not there.

He replaces Aphrodite in my run because she dies, so I don't know what happens if Freddie dies but Aphrodite lives.

Obviously like any of the other love interests, he is presumably the first to leap to Grace's defense if romanced.

[batin brodyaga]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

He always do those things (except the club part), but I suspect he has more of a role if Freddie dies? I'm not sure myself. In my run it was Freddie who suggested the Chorus dissolve and the Idols reveal themselves, and I take it Pan is the one who makes the suggestion if Freddie is not there.

He replaces Aphrodite in my run because she dies, so I don't know what happens if Freddie dies but Aphrodite lives.

Obviously like any of the other love interests, he is presumably the first to leap to Grace's defense if romanced.

oh you mean aphrodite can actually die? could you please share the choices you've made to achieve that? wanna try it out too

[Whitepearl]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

He always do those things (except the club part), but I suspect he has more of a role if Freddie dies? I'm not sure myself. In my run it was Freddie who suggested the Chorus dissolve and the Idols reveal themselves, and I take it Pan is the one who makes the suggestion if Freddie is not there.

He replaces Aphrodite in my run because she dies, so I don't know what happens if Freddie dies but Aphrodite lives.

Obviously like any of the other love interests, he is presumably the first to leap to Grace's defense if romanced.

He did replaced Aphrodite and suggest disbanding the Chorus in my playthrough with Aphrodite not passing the eidolon

[Ellixer]

Originally posted by endren5:

Originally posted by Ellixer:

He always do those things (except the club part), but I suspect he has more of a role if Freddie dies? I'm not sure myself. In my run it was Freddie who suggested the Chorus dissolve and the Idols reveal themselves, and I take it Pan is the one who makes the suggestion if Freddie is not there.

He replaces Aphrodite in my run because she dies, so I don't know what happens if Freddie dies but Aphrodite lives.

Obviously like any of the other love interests, he is presumably the first to leap to Grace's defense if romanced.

oh you mean aphrodite can actually die? could you please share the choices you've made to achieve that? wanna try it out too

I'm pretty sure during Aphrodite's song, any choice Grace makes other than Red on the final decision will end with Aphrodite handing her Eidolon over to Venus, disappearing as a result.

I went with the Green version of the song, then picked Blue at the end.

[Azarift]

Originally posted by YESS i'm a MESS:

So, there's some scenes where certain characters will always be there, but there's others where the character you sided with in their conflicts will show up instead. The biggest moment I noticed this is when confronting Medusa: if you sided with Freddie, she shows up with a bag full of gear and ends up distracting Medusa with a jury-rigged flame thrower. If you sided with Pan, HE is your sidekick in that adventure instead, and interrupts Medusa by using his pipes to snake charm her. The confrontation about what Pan knew about Calliope and the reliquary happens AT Medusa's lair, too, instead of in Pan's garden later on.

There's actually a third possibility at Medusa's, where BOTH Freddie and Pan show up to help you. I think it's just from choosing neither of them in the teaching song, but unsure if there's anything else that has effect on getting that outcome.