High scores are kinda pointless now

[TheFoxing]

barrier gives invincibility frames
cloak extends frames
you can become completely immune to damage once again

the difference before now however is that you can get 5 stacks of regrowth doing % health damage to enemies while getting 100% crit chance to 100% super crit things and at 17 stacks of precision you do 100% of every enemies health.

so what's the point of a high score if you're able to one shot literally everything every second while being literally immune to damage? it might as well just be cheating.

there's having fun to see how far you can go in a game, but this is pointless and a complete waste of time if there's no cap to the waves or some sort of boss.
i get it... it's just a fun little game, but... you've already taken steps to adjust balance and the only sense of fun competition now is how long do you feel like running the game in the back and clicking any upgrade as literally nothing matters for offense/defense long before wave 90.

[Dragon]

There's bosses.
Also, if you can survive enough time to sustain a build like that, good job ! On my side it's not that easy.
If you use the fedora hat also don't be suprised that it gets easy. But I understand if you have maxxed everything you can easily use your souls to reroll.
I guess you're just too good.
Maybe wait for the game to actually release, then.

[TheFoxing]

you don't have high scores if you use the fedora

my problem is that you can be immune to damage before wave 40 and do 100% health percentage damage to everything.

just set a click macro after everything dies in 1 shot and you've got overlapping immunity frames from barrier/cloak, leave the game running for a day "oh look wave 752" it'd be no different than wave 7,520,000.

i hate to suggest putting a cap on anything because it's a roguelike but genuine god mode with the ability to one tap everything regardless of how much health they have completely killed the enjoyment of the game for me.

[DFWPestilence]

don't put a cap, just recode barrier so that it doesn't start its recharge until the invincibility frames are over. Meaning that they both have purpose, more points in barrier means faster re up, more in cloak means longer barrier save.

[Dragon]

Ok, I'm rewriting my comment. I tried the build.

I admit that at some point it gets mad. The regrowth evolution being affected by critics is just abused. The damage goes crazy high.

About the barrier/cloak thing, it indeed makes you feel invincible. I had 10 cloaks, 10 barriers, and it seemed I couldn't get hurt.
With the run going, I grabbed other evolutions, like focus wich gives attack speed and 95% defense if you stay still. Then defense, then shrink for 33% chance to dodge.

I got way further than I would do in any other run. I stopped looking at the screen because the waves were so long, I would just wait until the sound stopped and choose an upgrade.

I thought I would be invincible, but I wasn't. At wave 117, I died. Don't know how, it just happened.

I believe there isn't a need to put a cap. Maybe add ennemies who ignore shield (or are they already ? I believe I've read something about this, and that would explain why I died).
But most of all, I think the best would be to just reduce the effect of barrier and cloak. Maybe not for the first levels, maybe just after getting the evolution, you get diminishing returns to the point you can't be invincible.

[Absentminded]

13 cloaking, and 5 shield will make you invulnerable.
i went afk after that, i just popped the regrowth ascencion and scaled crit damage with 100% critical chance and i was hitting 1 million damage crits. i just clicked more damage, got all the ascencions basically and got bored since each wave was taking forever after 120.

[Ashtar Shorão]

Will see to that... I think right now this barrier/cloak shenanigans is the main exploit people are using to get invincible. Of course, the game is made to be broken, but I don't think its even fun for the person who is playing to use this build, as the game isn't supposed to get to wave 100+

Any other exploits you guys can think of?

[TheFoxing]

Originally posted by Andréo:

Will see to that... I think right now this barrier/cloak shenanigans is the main exploit people are using to get invincible. Of course, the game is made to be broken, but I don't think its even fun for the person who is playing to use this build, as the game isn't supposed to get to wave 100+

Any other exploits you guys can think of?

shrink can stack to the point where enemies can't hit you bcus the projectiles will hit the corner of the steps/wall before they hit you i'm not sure what stack it is but at 50 stacks you're 0.05% original size and can get there pretty comfortably since you're ignoring all other defense items.

cold (might be intended?) but with the tome build, bloody mage, barrier(for more projectiles vs melee mobs), and ice staff with a couple wisps, and lots of frags you can very quickly get to the 100% cold status and fireworks chain as (seemingly?) each hit with bleed counts as two hits for cold and you'll eventually just reach the point where your health with white cards will out scale mobs damage and you've effectively got infinite damage all the same.
this is the build i was using for awhile to see how it worked but "ram destroyer" is aptly named, and tome was still only upgraded at 12 which made it a lot weaker in the long run.

[xixifrank]

Originally posted by Andréo:

Will see to that... I think right now this barrier/cloak shenanigans is the main exploit people are using to get invincible. Of course, the game is made to be broken, but I don't think its even fun for the person who is playing to use this build, as the game isn't supposed to get to wave 100+

Any other exploits you guys can think of?

My feeling is that players and players' intuition are different. I started playing the game from version 3.1, when I first saw barrier, my reaction was that barrier should not trigger invincibility, otherwise with cloak, there would be an invincible combo. At the same time, some players posted that if barrier did not trigger invincibility then it was bugged. For those players, The current version is reasonable. But for us, this method of invincibility is too simple. Perhaps it is a very difficult task to satisfy all players and the best you can do is to find a balance. My suggestion is that there can be invincible combos, but at least they can't be that simple.

[gator]

Originally posted by Andréo:

Will see to that... I think right now this barrier/cloak shenanigans is the main exploit people are using to get invincible. Of course, the game is made to be broken, but I don't think its even fun for the person who is playing to use this build, as the game isn't supposed to get to wave 100+

Any other exploits you guys can think of?

So are you ever going to fix the cheater on the leaderboard?

[Ninefinger]

Originally posted by gator:

Originally posted by Andréo:

Will see to that... I think right now this barrier/cloak shenanigans is the main exploit people are using to get invincible. Of course, the game is made to be broken, but I don't think its even fun for the person who is playing to use this build, as the game isn't supposed to get to wave 100+

Any other exploits you guys can think of?

So are you ever going to fix the cheater on the leaderboard?

Leaderboard should be wiped after all exploits are fixed imo.

[Ferinzz]

I think the biggest issue with progression without the 'exploit' would be that damage outscales your health eventually. So to reach higher than 120 you'll need to either instant kill, or always barrier, or 100% instant freeze.
I think all of those options would be available by the time you reach that point if you focus on it. With just 1k souls you can easily force luck + tome + appraisal by the time you reach wave 20 if you don't worry about defenses (one purple leech is usually enough to sruvive)
Now i'm tempted to try maxing out freeze on my next run.