Total cost of all content is absolutely EXTORTIONATE

[NathW14]

Assuming you bought the base game at full price, and assuming there will be at least four "seasons" of DLC in the first year, possibly five, that's:

Game - £49.99
Season Pass 1 - £24.99
Season Pass 2 - £19.99
Season Pass 3 - £13.99
Season Pass 4 - £13.99?
Season Pass 5 - £13.99?

Just in the first year that's a minimum of £122.95 if it's four seasons, £136.94 if it's five, and potentially more for either option if the new seasons aren't priced as low as Season 3.

For that price, we're looking at a total of 15-20 wrestlers, most of which there's no excuse for not having been in the base game, as it stands just ONE real world arena (which is already out of date) and, let's be honest, a load of utterly useless nonsense like skins and music which should be free anyway.

How anyone has the audacity to defend this game considering the above I have no idea. It's an abhorrent cash grab for horrifically overpriced DLC and a base game which is more lacking in depth and content than a very infantile early access game.

A complete and utter mess of the highest order.

[stav8]

Yeah I totally agree pal. It's a joke, and what's an even bigger joke is you have actual low IQ morons defending the business practices. Fair enough if you like the game and defend the game but the business tactics are indefensible.

When you can get WWE 2k24 and all it's DLC for £89.44 on pre order. When you weigh up the content on offer and wrestlers on offer. WWE wins every time.

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/wwe-2k24-40-years-of-wrestlemania-edition-pc/

[MrTeamGuy]

Live service model, it is what it is. We can complain about the price, while in the end the game doesn't really bring much money for it to survive. So these DLC are what funds upcoming DLC. There are people who have stable income and they don't see anything bad about buying digital updates for something they enjoy.
Defend or not, it is what it is. Complaining can't solve it, as there is no way they just start releasing free stuff. Only if they update it for a long period of time with free stuff, to the point the game gets a lot of traction. Big enough to bring them ton of profit. This is insane risk/reward strategy and considering wrestling games are very niche, live service is only option they would choose.
I don't like that Live Service thing exist, but I don't mind buying these DLC packs. Seems like pack of cigarettes and few red bulls.
As for lack content part, I am not sure what you mean. If you talk features, it has enough of that. 1v1, 2v2, 1v1v1, 1v1v1v1 and then few gimmick matches, As well as custom wrestlers, custom arenas, custom movesets, custom entrances. Roster is high quality, gameplay is fast. You basically have 2sec loading screens. Jump into a match, jump into the Road To Elite mod, jump into creation suite. All it takes is 2 sec. Got minigames etc,

Half baked features basically. But it does have content. I so far spent 100 hours on this game. I gladly come back to it from time to time. I know the comparison to 2k games, while I used to play those a lot. I got burnt out by the loading screens. Everything is a 20 sec loading screen. Even to go to community creations next page takes about a minute.
It has ton of problems, both games have ton of problems. Both have ton of content. Enough with the sh*t, we all know what Live Service is. You bought the game, didn't liked it and now request stuff for free. The stuff they release is not mandatory to buy. You have a choice here. Audacity of who? People living in the real world with stable income. I am tired of people attacking something that has a lot of complexity. You can say what in it is Objectively bad. Out of all things, considering all the context, the price is damn cheap in the end. Not even close to being predatory, DLC model is as simple as it gets. You want it, you buy it. It's not like they have some sort of premium currency, addictive gambling etc.

[MrTeamGuy]

Originally posted by stav8:

Yeah I totally agree pal. It's a joke, and what's an even bigger joke is you have actual low IQ morons defending the business practices. Fair enough if you like the game and defend the game but the business tactics are indefensible.

When you can get WWE 2k24 and all it's DLC for £89.44 on pre order. When you weigh up the content on offer and wrestlers on offer. WWE wins every time.

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/wwe-2k24-40-years-of-wrestlemania-edition-pc/

to be fair, next year your dlc will be out dated with the roster. As they will want you to buy their new game. So the roster you had will stay with the old game. Sure you can play the old one, but after few more years you realise than they got you into buying at least few of their yearly games. I got 2k15, 2k20, 2k21, 2k22, 2k23. To be fair 2k15 had worse creation suite than AEW FF xD but still, you say £89.44 for updated game with new bugs and different roster and few more broken modes. Btw, do you have everything game has to offer if you spend £89, or is there some stuff left out?
I've spent more money on 2k WWE than I spent on anything else, and only few times I felt like I had fun. Certain years it was pretty okay, others I felt like I just bought a reskin with more bugs. Sadly Community Creator moves on every year, so no more new Creations on older games. Only reason we move to new ones, really.

To be fair, I wait for 2k WWE to get on sale, otherwise it's a complete waste when looking at 1 hour of fun per 1£ spent.

[stav8]

Originally posted by MrTeamGuy:

Originally posted by stav8:

Yeah I totally agree pal. It's a joke, and what's an even bigger joke is you have actual low IQ morons defending the business practices. Fair enough if you like the game and defend the game but the business tactics are indefensible.

When you can get WWE 2k24 and all it's DLC for £89.44 on pre order. When you weigh up the content on offer and wrestlers on offer. WWE wins every time.

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/wwe-2k24-40-years-of-wrestlemania-edition-pc/

to be fair, next year your dlc will be out dated with the roster. As they will want you to buy their new game. So the roster you had will stay with the old game. Sure you can play the old one, but after few more years you realise than they got you into buying at least few of their yearly games. I got 2k15, 2k20, 2k21, 2k22, 2k23. To be fair 2k15 had worse creation suite than AEW FF xD but still, you say £89.44 for updated game with new bugs and different roster and few more broken modes. Btw, do you have everything game has to offer if you spend £89, or is there some stuff left out?
I've spent more money on 2k WWE than I spent on anything else, and only few times I felt like I had fun. Certain years it was pretty okay, others I felt like I just bought a reskin with more bugs. Sadly Community Creator moves on every year, so no more new Creations on older games. Only reason we move to new ones, really.

To be fair, I wait for 2k WWE to get on sale, otherwise it's a complete waste when looking at 1 hour of fun per 1£ spent.

Fact is on WWE games I will get that £1 to 1 hour ratio quite easily. AEW Fight Forever, barring unlocking Owen Hart I had literally completed everything the game had to offer in 10 hours. 10 hours. That is pathetic. The DLC adds next to nothing bar a new wrestler and they are overpriced for what they are. I would expect on a pretty much full price games top edition to have the first year of DLC included. They don't do the balancing work that games like street fighter/tekken have to do when they add in a new fighter to make sure they aren't too weak or over powered. Fight Forever is one of the biggest disappointments of a wrestling game i've ever played, and I was one of the few that enjoyed WCW Backstage Assault, and even that, back on the PS1 had more content, more wrestlers and a better career mode than this steaming pile of nothing. Fair enough if some people like it but the only way they are going to actually get anyone back to this game is by doing the total opposite of what they are doing right now. The roster needs fleshing out, the story/career mode needs fleshing out, more match types need adding. How much are you willing to pay before you get anywhere near a complete game? Mine ended at the £75 all elite edition. A Skin, 6 wrestlers and some stupid mini games no one asked for. Fantastic deal.

[stav8]

Originally posted by MacGyver:

weird your achievements tell us a different story. stav8 14 out of 38 achievements.... yet you claim you have done everything the game has to offer. you dont even have the achievement for making a CAW and using it one time in a match.

It's a boring game. What's making a CAW got to do with seeing everything on offer? End of the day it's just a custom skin to play with. Whoop de doo. Still adds absolutely nothing to career mode or additional game modes. You're acting like any of my missing achievements mean anything towards gameplay. Oh wow I didn't play a fatal 4 way on hard or get lucky enough for the game to spawn the electric baseball bat in the exploding barbed wire match. The missing achievements add nothing to gameplay and if you think they do, well simple things please simple minds🤣🤣🤣

[NathW14]

Originally posted by MacGyver:

we get it you are just all talk.

I'm confused... Don't you hate this game/the developers?

[NathW14]

Originally posted by MacGyver:

no i like the gameplay and wish they would listen to us and fix the game.

They have no interest in doing that. They've spent the last 8 months completely ignoring all feedback and just rolling out laughably overpriced, bad DLC.

They don't want to spend the time, effort on money on improving the game. They want to cash grab as much as they can for as little work as possible.

[Konkey Dong]

Originally posted by MacGyver:

weird your achievements tell us a different story. stav8 14 out of 38 achievements.... yet you claim you have done everything the game has to offer. you dont even have the achievement for making a CAW and using it one time in a match.

Mmk, look at my achievements and played time for the game, then. I don't know how much time I spent with the game just left open in the background, nor how much time I spent scrolling through moves when creating wrestlers, since trying to actually search for moves was a complete crapshoot. I still got 100% in a week, and this is with trying to play online, with trying to legitimately play through RTE so many times instead of just spamming a button until it finished to unlock all the mini-games, with trying to force myself into not feeling like it was half-baked and empty-hearted. 10-15 hours for 100% achievements is definitely doable, if you're locked and loaded on achievement hunting right off the rip.

Originally posted by NathW14:

Originally posted by MacGyver:

no i like the gameplay and wish they would listen to us and fix the game.

They have no interest in doing that. They've spent the last 8 months completely ignoring all feedback and just rolling out laughably overpriced, bad DLC.

They don't want to spend the time, effort on money on improving the game. They want to cash grab as much as they can for as little work as possible.

This is probably accurate. I've rarely seen a company that cares about its games be so absent, so silent, so deflective, and participate in doublespeak so much - not to mention force ALL communication, however minor, through a single individual, limiting the brunt of the backlash to that one individual to bear the burden - as AEW Games, THQ Nordic, and Yuke's combined have been with this game. Even companies that very clearly only want your money and adamantly and actively hate the player base of their games are better at communicating with the player base. (See: Blizzard with WoW, c. 2018-2021)

It's horribly delusional to think that the game would be "fixed" when the people behind the curtain don't care, and won't care, when there are just enough people to keep "supporting" the game, tossing money at it, like it's a friggin' charity, rather than treat it like a product and not waste money on something that's not worth the value. (Regardless of if you think the game itself is or isn't worth the value, it's extremely hard to argue that the DLC is worth the value, and that's what is floating the game right now.)

[Sonic_Driver1986]

Originally posted by MrTeamGuy:

Live service model, it is what it is. We can complain about the price, while in the end the game doesn't really bring much money for it to survive. So these DLC are what funds upcoming DLC. There are people who have stable income and they don't see anything bad about buying digital updates for something they enjoy.
Defend or not, it is what it is. Complaining can't solve it, as there is no way they just start releasing free stuff. Only if they update it for a long period of time with free stuff, to the point the game gets a lot of traction. Big enough to bring them ton of profit. This is insane risk/reward strategy and considering wrestling games are very niche, live service is only option they would choose.
I don't like that Live Service thing exist, but I don't mind buying these DLC packs. Seems like pack of cigarettes and few red bulls.
As for lack content part, I am not sure what you mean. If you talk features, it has enough of that. 1v1, 2v2, 1v1v1, 1v1v1v1 and then few gimmick matches, As well as custom wrestlers, custom arenas, custom movesets, custom entrances. Roster is high quality, gameplay is fast. You basically have 2sec loading screens. Jump into a match, jump into the Road To Elite mod, jump into creation suite. All it takes is 2 sec. Got minigames etc,

Half baked features basically. But it does have content. I so far spent 100 hours on this game. I gladly come back to it from time to time. I know the comparison to 2k games, while I used to play those a lot. I got burnt out by the loading screens. Everything is a 20 sec loading screen. Even to go to community creations next page takes about a minute.
It has ton of problems, both games have ton of problems. Both have ton of content. Enough with the sh*t, we all know what Live Service is. You bought the game, didn't liked it and now request stuff for free. The stuff they release is not mandatory to buy. You have a choice here. Audacity of who? People living in the real world with stable income. I am tired of people attacking something that has a lot of complexity. You can say what in it is Objectively bad. Out of all things, considering all the context, the price is damn cheap in the end. Not even close to being predatory, DLC model is as simple as it gets. You want it, you buy it. It's not like they have some sort of premium currency, addictive gambling etc.

I totally agree. I mean, look at Dragonball Xenoverse 1 and now 2...Those are fighting games, and Tekken also did the same thing..but at least Tekken stopped to make a new game. But then, we'd have people crying about making a new game, so we can't really please them there.

Going back to the point about Xenoverse and such, it will continue until ENOUGH of the playerbase decides it's not worth it. However...I do agree with your point. If you've spent enough time in the game, and you see that the DLC is low enough to afford, ESPECIALLY for those who already own the previous DLC and games...they do give a discount here on Steam to those who own it already....Yes it adds up, but in the end, to me it's still worth it to help keep the game afloat.

To those who complain the studio isn't being vocal enough about what's coming...MAYBE it's a smaller team? Maybe they don't speak english...maybe there's other issues behind the scenes that you don't see? Maybe stop judging so much and just either enjoy the game or GTFO and go play something else. I'm not letting trolls and haters parade all over me. I'm gonna enjoy this game as much as I can, right alongside FPW and WWE2K24. I love gaming but I LOVE LIFE even more.

[NathW14]

Originally posted by Sonic_Driver1986:

Originally posted by MrTeamGuy:

Live service model, it is what it is. We can complain about the price, while in the end the game doesn't really bring much money for it to survive. So these DLC are what funds upcoming DLC. There are people who have stable income and they don't see anything bad about buying digital updates for something they enjoy.
Defend or not, it is what it is. Complaining can't solve it, as there is no way they just start releasing free stuff. Only if they update it for a long period of time with free stuff, to the point the game gets a lot of traction. Big enough to bring them ton of profit. This is insane risk/reward strategy and considering wrestling games are very niche, live service is only option they would choose.
I don't like that Live Service thing exist, but I don't mind buying these DLC packs. Seems like pack of cigarettes and few red bulls.
As for lack content part, I am not sure what you mean. If you talk features, it has enough of that. 1v1, 2v2, 1v1v1, 1v1v1v1 and then few gimmick matches, As well as custom wrestlers, custom arenas, custom movesets, custom entrances. Roster is high quality, gameplay is fast. You basically have 2sec loading screens. Jump into a match, jump into the Road To Elite mod, jump into creation suite. All it takes is 2 sec. Got minigames etc,

Half baked features basically. But it does have content. I so far spent 100 hours on this game. I gladly come back to it from time to time. I know the comparison to 2k games, while I used to play those a lot. I got burnt out by the loading screens. Everything is a 20 sec loading screen. Even to go to community creations next page takes about a minute.
It has ton of problems, both games have ton of problems. Both have ton of content. Enough with the sh*t, we all know what Live Service is. You bought the game, didn't liked it and now request stuff for free. The stuff they release is not mandatory to buy. You have a choice here. Audacity of who? People living in the real world with stable income. I am tired of people attacking something that has a lot of complexity. You can say what in it is Objectively bad. Out of all things, considering all the context, the price is damn cheap in the end. Not even close to being predatory, DLC model is as simple as it gets. You want it, you buy it. It's not like they have some sort of premium currency, addictive gambling etc.

I totally agree. I mean, look at Dragonball Xenoverse 1 and now 2...Those are fighting games, and Tekken also did the same thing..but at least Tekken stopped to make a new game. But then, we'd have people crying about making a new game, so we can't really please them there.

Going back to the point about Xenoverse and such, it will continue until ENOUGH of the playerbase decides it's not worth it. However...I do agree with your point. If you've spent enough time in the game, and you see that the DLC is low enough to afford, ESPECIALLY for those who already own the previous DLC and games...they do give a discount here on Steam to those who own it already....Yes it adds up, but in the end, to me it's still worth it to help keep the game afloat.

To those who complain the studio isn't being vocal enough about what's coming...MAYBE it's a smaller team? Maybe they don't speak english...maybe there's other issues behind the scenes that you don't see? Maybe stop judging so much and just either enjoy the game or GTFO and go play something else. I'm not letting trolls and haters parade all over me. I'm gonna enjoy this game as much as I can, right alongside FPW and WWE2K24. I love gaming but I LOVE LIFE even more.

If you genuinely think ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY POUNDS is acceptable for what we've got to this point, then more fool you. You're their perfect consumer. Someone who will allow them to just walk all over them and pay whatever the price for whatever terrible content they put out, even that of which should without a doubt have been in the original game.

The content to cost/price ratio is undeniably disgusting and it is truly astonishing to me that some people are still willing to lap it up, defend it and even make desperate, nonsensical excuses for their appalling communication and blatant disregard for what the wider player base's opinions and wants/hopes/expectations for the game are.

There's being a fan, then there's just being a fool.