Update from Dev on discord.

[Isisius]

### November 22, 2024 OoC Development Log -- Discovery and New Game+

"Hey Ponderers!

We are getting pretty close to a 1.0 release! I'm not confident in exact dates at this moment, but I am confident enough to throw some estimations around!

While I've been hoping to nail a Q1 2025 release, (the dream) it'll be much more likely a Q2 or a Q3 2025 release. I have almost all the steps in my mind that I need to take to complete this thing! However, there is a lot of unknowns for me regarding fully releasing a game, and creating content for OoC always takes an unexpected amount of time. This is especially true when I want v1.0 to be content complete, and I've learned from the past to be gentle and to not rush it and burn-out that creation process.

In terms of when I'll be able to have a solid date: for me that's always been when I'm about a month or two from being finished and the finish line is more clearly in sight.

That said, while I've been hard at work on getting v1.0 ready for launch, I've been struck with some really fun upcoming changes that I'm excited to share!"




There was a bunch more specific info in the following posts on discord around redesigning the glyphs system and rituals are getting make.

There will also be a new game+ mode where your score in that run lets you unlock permanent upgrades.

Go join the discord if you wanted to read all the other specifics, just wanted to drop this here so people know we have a very loose timeline again and the dev believes they have mapped their path forward.

[DarkRooster]

Originally posted by slugmyballs:

You seem to be glossing over the fact that the game costs less than a piece of candy and lasts 100x as long. Yet you are still up in arms over the fact that it isn't finished yet. You may be a lost cause /shrug

I outlined what dev did wrong and what he could done better, price is not relevant to that because it could cost any price and my entire comment would have been the same. So only one who is glossing over things and not actually responding is you.

But if we want to talk about price, that would be entirely separate comment. Taking a graph of supply and demand, we customers represent the demand line. If the price is low, the demand is higher, if the price is high, the demand is lower. Why mention that is that we customers each have different demand, some wouldn't pay $5 bucks for an incremental game and someone will come in and say he would have paid $60 for this game.

The biggest point is that demand is a very individualistic thing, and each customer would be located on different place on the demand line, because each ones demand is made on different circumstances and values. What price the game should be is only the question of profit maximization, but if one person says the game is too expensive and another says its too cheap, they are both representing their own demands and nobody is right or wrong in this. So i never see how discussion about price is anything other than peoples emotions.

But talking about all the peoples emotions on how much this game is worth, i still fail to see how only your perspective could be the most right one by default. Someone can come in and start naming NGU idle, Trimps, Evolve idle, Revolution Idle, Leafblower Revolution etc. and say these games offer years of content and playtime and are absolutely free, some will even say they are better games, thus Orb of Creation is very expensive.

So how does the price discussion help anything? The backlash has nothing to do with price after all, there are paid or free games where the devs disappear for longer times and bring less content and people are happy with these games. I been arguing that people would been very happy with Orb of Creation if the dev acted a bit differently. I don't see how something costing x dollars excuses devs that are lying to us.

[Johnathon Fortnite]

Originally posted by Nhillism:

What a ridiculous strawman. No one else but you have said anything about F2P games being exempt from criticism. The solution in the case of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ F2P games is simple, just don't play it!

In the case of this game if you are really that upset with the lack of progress and updates you can try to get a refund through Steam. I'm sure if you have a valid complaint they'll give you your change back.

steam don't give refunds for over 2 hours of playtime/over 14 days since purchase
idk why wanting regular updates and progress is so terrible, free games do more for less

[pantonio]

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Originally posted by slugmyballs:

You seem to be glossing over the fact that the game costs less than a piece of candy and lasts 100x as long. Yet you are still up in arms over the fact that it isn't finished yet. You may be a lost cause /shrug

I outlined what dev did wrong and what he could done better, price is not relevant to that because it could cost any price and my entire comment would have been the same. So only one who is glossing over things and not actually responding is you.

But if we want to talk about price, that would be entirely separate comment. Taking a graph of supply and demand, we customers represent the demand line. If the price is low, the demand is higher, if the price is high, the demand is lower. Why mention that is that we customers each have different demand, some wouldn't pay $5 bucks for an incremental game and someone will come in and say he would have paid $60 for this game.

The biggest point is that demand is a very individualistic thing, and each customer would be located on different place on the demand line, because each ones demand is made on different circumstances and values. What price the game should be is only the question of profit maximization, but if one person says the game is too expensive and another says its too cheap, they are both representing their own demands and nobody is right or wrong in this. So i never see how discussion about price is anything other than peoples emotions.

But talking about all the peoples emotions on how much this game is worth, i still fail to see how only your perspective could be the most right one by default. Someone can come in and start naming NGU idle, Trimps, Evolve idle, Revolution Idle, Leafblower Revolution etc. and say these games offer years of content and playtime and are absolutely free, some will even say they are better games, thus Orb of Creation is very expensive.

So how does the price discussion help anything? The backlash has nothing to do with price after all, there are paid or free games where the devs disappear for longer times and bring less content and people are happy with these games. I been arguing that people would been very happy with Orb of Creation if the dev acted a bit differently. I don't see how something costing x dollars excuses devs that are lying to us.

Your discussion is silly. And it is not silly for the silly reason that you might think that I am saying that it is silly. Your argument is not silly but your discussion is silly for a far more important, serious, maybe even objective reason.

A sane person would be posing your argument for a sane reason. The only sane reason that I can think of is that you want to get the finished game, in order to get your money's worth. That, a sane person would suppose, would be your reason for getting up on the shoebox and declaring the grave injustice done to you and wasted your 5 dollars.

However, a sane person would find it difficult to see how your argumentation would support your end goal. You have a developer who is showing all signs of a stressed out good willed individual. If this is true then your kind of argument, posted here in a public forum would further detract from his ability to work and finish the game.

The only way that your argumentation would be what a sane person would do to further your goal, would be if they identified the developer as simple fraud and wanted them to shame him into production.

However, if that is the case, then the developer would be a cold actor that roleplays sensitivity. These people can rarely be broken by random, even persistent posts in a forum.

Thus it becomes clear that this kind of argument is shortsighted, emotional and innefective in every case.

Hence your discussion is just silly.

Please go on. It is rather enjoyable.

[Keyen]

If the dev is so stressed out, here are a few tips:
- Stop making promise you can't fulfill (like announcing you are going to release 1.0, this time FOR SURE!)
- Just release updates whenever you feel like it instead
- Don't leave updates in the branch beta for multiple years.
Done.

The last one is the one which bother me the most tbh.

[DarkRooster]

Pretty much what Keyen said.

Sane person would understand the argument, price was irrelevant to discussion. Idk what $5 has to do with everything or why it means so much to you, but people are different and the demand and value of Orb of Creation will be different between each individual. Price discussions will never have any outcome, because each person is located on different place on the demand line.

My comments would staid the same whatever price the game costs, its not that complicated, all the sane people can get that right?

Originally posted by pantonio:

You have a developer who is showing all signs of a stressed out good willed individual.

Does the stress excuse lying? Are good willed individuals liars? As i already said

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Funny enough if the dev posted ''Taking a vacation for few years'', ''still working on it'' ''sorry, i don't want to work on it at all'', none of this discussion would exist, as we are simply lacking bare minimum of updates, transparency here. I don't see how are we entitled because we don't treat someone like rock star or like uncriticisable authority

[Your Lucky Day]

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Pretty much what Keyen said.

Sane person would understand the argument, price was irrelevant to discussion. Idk what $5 has to do with everything or why it means so much to you, but people are different and the demand and value of Orb of Creation will be different between each individual. Price discussions will never have any outcome, because each person is located on different place on the demand line.

My comments would staid the same whatever price the game costs, its not that complicated, all the sane people can get that right?

Originally posted by pantonio:

You have a developer who is showing all signs of a stressed out good willed individual.

Does the stress excuse lying? Are good willed individuals liars? As i already said

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Funny enough if the dev posted ''Taking a vacation for few years'', ''still working on it'' ''sorry, i don't want to work on it at all'', none of this discussion would exist, as we are simply lacking bare minimum of updates, transparency here. I don't see how are we entitled because we don't treat someone like rock star or like uncriticisable authority

At this point nobody likes you... and for good reason. The dev (Marple) has pretty much unlimited goodwill here and you have zero.

Nothing about you has any value at all.

I'm not sure why you expected anyone to agree with you.

[Alice ⦂☽]

Originally posted by Your Lucky Day:

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Pretty much what Keyen said.

Sane person would understand the argument, price was irrelevant to discussion. Idk what $5 has to do with everything or why it means so much to you, but people are different and the demand and value of Orb of Creation will be different between each individual. Price discussions will never have any outcome, because each person is located on different place on the demand line.

My comments would staid the same whatever price the game costs, its not that complicated, all the sane people can get that right?



Does the stress excuse lying? Are good willed individuals liars? As i already said

At this point nobody likes you... and for good reason. The dev (Marple) has pretty much unlimited goodwill here and you have zero.

Nothing about you has any value at all.

I'm not sure why you expected anyone to agree with you.

The reason nobody is posting in agreement with them is because we see how pointless it is to waste our time trying to convince you and others. I played the game's demo and decided to wait for a full release for exactly this issue since I've been burned before by devs who pulled stunts like Marple. (Wollay of Cube World, for example.)

I'm really not sure why people think that devs are entitled to just do whatever they want while people who have paid them for a game are not allowed to criticize them in any way. It's a weirdly anticonsumer mindset and exactly why big corporations just do whatever they want with zero regard for their customers.

[Johnathon Fortnite]

Originally posted by Your Lucky Day:

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Pretty much what Keyen said.

Sane person would understand the argument, price was irrelevant to discussion. Idk what $5 has to do with everything or why it means so much to you, but people are different and the demand and value of Orb of Creation will be different between each individual. Price discussions will never have any outcome, because each person is located on different place on the demand line.

My comments would staid the same whatever price the game costs, its not that complicated, all the sane people can get that right?



Does the stress excuse lying? Are good willed individuals liars? As i already said

At this point nobody likes you... and for good reason. The dev (Marple) has pretty much unlimited goodwill here and you have zero.

Nothing about you has any value at all.

I'm not sure why you expected anyone to agree with you.

I like that guy more than you lil bro, your argument is defunct

[Plitz]

Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:

Originally posted by Your Lucky Day:

At this point nobody likes you... and for good reason. The dev (Marple) has pretty much unlimited goodwill here and you have zero.

Nothing about you has any value at all.

I'm not sure why you expected anyone to agree with you.

I like that guy more than you lil bro, your argument is defunct

i second that

[DarkRooster]

Originally posted by Your Lucky Day:

At this point nobody likes you... and for good reason. The dev (Marple) has pretty much unlimited goodwill here and you have zero.

Nothing about you has any value at all.

I'm not sure why you expected anyone to agree with you.

Why no response on the question, are good willed individuals liars?

Also i don't have zero goodwill. I outlined how dev could take as much time as he wants and have satisfied, happy community that greatly supports him and how none of this backlash would ever exist.

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Funny enough if the dev posted ''Taking a vacation for few years'', ''still working on it'' ''sorry, i don't want to work on it at all'', none of this discussion would exist, as we are simply lacking bare minimum of updates, transparency here. I don't see how are we entitled because we don't treat someone like rock star or like uncriticisable authority

While you talk about goodwill while saying ''nobody likes you'' and ''Nothing about you has any value at all''

[pantonio]

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

Pretty much what Keyen said.

Sane person would understand the argument, price was irrelevant to discussion. Idk what $5 has to do with everything or why it means so much to you, but people are different and the demand and value of Orb of Creation will be different between each individual. Price discussions will never have any outcome, because each person is located on different place on the demand line.

My comments would staid the same whatever price the game costs, its not that complicated, all the sane people can get that right?

Originally posted by pantonio:

You have a developer who is showing all signs of a stressed out good willed individual.

Does the stress excuse lying? Are good willed individuals liars? As i already said

I might be an old fashioned uncool kid but I usually try to read ALL the text if I want to respond to someone.

I referred to what you wrote (about lying), literally in the next paragraph from which you quoted.

Your responses are continuing to be sillily funny. And totally irrelevant to what you are responding to.

But by all means...You do you.

[JerryTheFrog]

I look forward to this game's release. Sorry there's weird internet spilled all up on this.

[Vigilante]

steams new rule will start listing this game as abandoned if no update to the MAIN branch within 6 months of the last update -> so if this game doesn't get something pushed to main soon its going to be flagged by STEAM ITSELF as abandoned

[Rotan]

Originally posted by Vigilante:

steams new rule will start listing this game as abandoned if no update to the MAIN branch within 6 months of the last update -> so if this game doesn't get something pushed to main soon its going to be flagged by STEAM ITSELF as abandoned

Glad to hear steam is finally doing that, they also need to make it more clear the last time the game was updated. I think you can see this info now but have to dig for it a bit. I kinda forget I'll have to go look at the store page

edit: its actual pretty easy to find, but I feel like its info that could be more front and center imo

[Nurrai]

Originally posted by Vigilante:

steams new rule will start listing this game as abandoned if no update to the MAIN branch within 6 months of the last update -> so if this game doesn't get something pushed to main soon its going to be flagged by STEAM ITSELF as abandoned

Since that new rule has come into existence, Steam has now listed the game as abandoned.

"Note: The last update made by the developers was over 2 years ago. The information and timeline described by the developers here may no longer be up to date. "