Update from Dev on discord.

[Isisius]

### November 22, 2024 OoC Development Log -- Discovery and New Game+

"Hey Ponderers!

We are getting pretty close to a 1.0 release! I'm not confident in exact dates at this moment, but I am confident enough to throw some estimations around!

While I've been hoping to nail a Q1 2025 release, (the dream) it'll be much more likely a Q2 or a Q3 2025 release. I have almost all the steps in my mind that I need to take to complete this thing! However, there is a lot of unknowns for me regarding fully releasing a game, and creating content for OoC always takes an unexpected amount of time. This is especially true when I want v1.0 to be content complete, and I've learned from the past to be gentle and to not rush it and burn-out that creation process.

In terms of when I'll be able to have a solid date: for me that's always been when I'm about a month or two from being finished and the finish line is more clearly in sight.

That said, while I've been hard at work on getting v1.0 ready for launch, I've been struck with some really fun upcoming changes that I'm excited to share!"




There was a bunch more specific info in the following posts on discord around redesigning the glyphs system and rituals are getting make.

There will also be a new game+ mode where your score in that run lets you unlock permanent upgrades.

Go join the discord if you wanted to read all the other specifics, just wanted to drop this here so people know we have a very loose timeline again and the dev believes they have mapped their path forward.

[Keyen]

Isn't this game supposed to be in early access, IE get updates a bit more often than once every 2 years?

[Prometheus]

Originally posted by Keyen:

Isn't this game supposed to be in early access, IE get updates a bit more often than once every 2 years?

Your post indicates you are one of those people who thinks coding a game is DRAMATICALLY easier than it actually is. Just take your estimates of the time it takes to do something and multiply by around 10,000. That will be a lot closer. Then realize its a single person making this game.

[Isisius]

Originally posted by Keyen:

Isn't this game supposed to be in early access, IE get updates a bit more often than once every 2 years?

Im not super interested in turning this thread into an argument of "is the dev doing enough"

There was a period where they went radio silent for 6 months, and i thought it was wrong to not keep people appraised of the progress (even if its "there is no progress")

However the Dev has already apologised for that and has kept up with keeping the community in the loop.

Other than that, your definition of early access is entirely incorrect. Early access simply means the game isnt finished yet. It could take the dev 1 month, 1 year, or 10 years to complete development of the product, or they could announce that they are not going to finish the game. All of that is something you need to be aware of before buying an Early Access game.

[FiilGuud (:]

Thank you for the update!

I was part of the discord when the radio silence happened and boy it got tiring fast, so I opted to just checking on it here every now and again. Whilst I would've liked the dev to update here more often ( as they stated ), but you're immense help nonetheless to keep people outside of the discord in the loop!

[DarkRooster]

Originally posted by Prometheus:

Originally posted by Keyen:

Isn't this game supposed to be in early access, IE get updates a bit more often than once every 2 years?

Your post indicates you are one of those people who thinks coding a game is DRAMATICALLY easier than it actually is. Just take your estimates of the time it takes to do something and multiply by around 10,000. That will be a lot closer. Then realize its a single person making this game.

There has been thousands of solo devs pushing out update more often than once in a 2 years. There has been a lot that programmed way more in 2 years.

I don't know where this narrative that coding a game is sooo hard comes from. We have more than 10 mil games in the market, coding is not that hard and impossible.

Also if one is leading a business. one can hire more devs. There were sales and Patreon money and tons of people willing to give money to this game.

[Angels]

Originally posted by Prometheus:

Your post indicates you are one of those people who thinks coding a game is DRAMATICALLY easier than it actually is. Just take your estimates of the time it takes to do something and multiply by around 10,000. That will be a lot closer. Then realize its a single person making this game.

Most early access games follow up with regular updates and/or notices on what is being done, in that respect this one is a clear outlier. You don't need a big team to release a small improvement or write up a note once in a while.
You are one of those people who thinks coding is DRAMATICALLY harder than it actually is. If I expect this game to be released in a year or two from the last major update, by your logic, we won't live to see it done in 10000-20000 years.

[Plitz]

Originally posted by Isisius:

However the Dev has already apologised for that and has kept up with keeping the community in the loop.

Yeah, and AFTER he apologized and told everyone that "I'll be continuing to post updates as we get closer to 1.0 release!" he went radiosilent for over 3 months again!

Now he is posting a new "update" ... just to tell us that we have to wait for another whole YEAR?

And lets be honest here: 1.0 will NOT include any new content ... it is a rework of already existing systems!

[MP]

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

There has been thousands of solo devs pushing out update more often than once in a 2 years. There has been a lot that programmed way more in 2 years.

I don't know where this narrative that coding a game is sooo hard comes from. We have more than 10 mil games in the market, coding is not that hard and impossible.

Also if one is leading a business. one can hire more devs. There were sales and Patreon money and tons of people willing to give money to this game.

Are you aware of the difference between an original game like OoC and asset flips flooding Steam?

[DarkRooster]

I wasn't referencing any asset flips in any way. I doubt those are counted as games by anyone

We are on Steam, you can find more original games than there is time in ones lifetime.

[Plitz]

Originally posted by MP:

Are you aware of the difference between an original game like OoC and asset flips flooding Steam?

Dude, this game has no assets that could be flipped. This is basically a fancy Prestige Tree with some JPGs.

[MP]

Originally posted by DarkRooster:

I wasn't referencing any asset flips in any way. I doubt those are counted as games by anyone

We are on Steam, you can find more original games than there is time in ones lifetime.

You mean all those Renpy and RPG Maker games that are made within a couple weeks, as long as it takes to generate AI art and script? Or all those game jam titles that are pushed straight to Steam with little polish, if any?

I would thank you not to throw this game, which has complex interacting systems that have to be carefully designed and balanced, into the same bin with the low- or even zero-effort games.

It is pretty demeaning and rude to any developer that puts actual effort in.

[Keyen]

Originally posted by Isisius:

Originally posted by Keyen:

Isn't this game supposed to be in early access, IE get updates a bit more often than once every 2 years?

Im not super interested in turning this thread into an argument of "is the dev doing enough"

There was a period where they went radio silent for 6 months, and i thought it was wrong to not keep people appraised of the progress (even if its "there is no progress")

However the Dev has already apologised for that and has kept up with keeping the community in the loop.

Other than that, your definition of early access is entirely incorrect. Early access simply means the game isnt finished yet. It could take the dev 1 month, 1 year, or 10 years to complete development of the product, or they could announce that they are not going to finish the game. All of that is something you need to be aware of before buying an Early Access game.

Given the dev actually vanished before pushing 0.6 which is still on the beta branch, waiting to be released, no, you are clearly wrong. He literally made 1 post in over one year, that's not "keeping the community in the loop" either.

And you will notice I never said a game in EA can't take 10 years to finish itself, I said it's a brzach of trust not to update more regularly than once every 2 years. And it is, no matter what the apologists think.

[Isisius]

Originally posted by Keyen:

Originally posted by Isisius:

Im not super interested in turning this thread into an argument of "is the dev doing enough"

There was a period where they went radio silent for 6 months, and i thought it was wrong to not keep people appraised of the progress (even if its "there is no progress")

However the Dev has already apologised for that and has kept up with keeping the community in the loop.

Other than that, your definition of early access is entirely incorrect. Early access simply means the game isnt finished yet. It could take the dev 1 month, 1 year, or 10 years to complete development of the product, or they could announce that they are not going to finish the game. All of that is something you need to be aware of before buying an Early Access game.

Given the dev actually vanished before pushing 0.6 which is still on the beta branch, waiting to be released, no, you are clearly wrong. He literally made 1 post in over one year, that's not "keeping the community in the loop" either.

And you will notice I never said a game in EA can't take 10 years to finish itself, I said it's a brzach of trust not to update more regularly than once every 2 years. And it is, no matter what the apologists think.

Yeah I really don't care about your opinion or this "issue"

I dont have any personal stake in this and I don't know the Dev.

You are welcome to fight a war with the "apologists", I'm just passing on the official update he posted on discord to the steam forums since the Dev doesn't really use the steam forums themselves.
I'm unsubscribing from the discussion, if theres any future updates on discord I'll create a new one.

[Opalescent Opal]

The amount of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in this forum is insane... You don't know the dev, you don't know his/her life. You don't know what they're going through. You also don't know the first thing about game development, but you want to ignorantly criticize. The entitlement y'all have for a product that costs basically a single cheap meal is insane. It'll be done when it'll be done. Coming back to this game and demanding updates is like going back to a restaurant you went 2 years ago because the portions were too small for your taste.

[Keyen]

Originally posted by Isisius:

Originally posted by Keyen:

Given the dev actually vanished before pushing 0.6 which is still on the beta branch, waiting to be released, no, you are clearly wrong. He literally made 1 post in over one year, that's not "keeping the community in the loop" either.

And you will notice I never said a game in EA can't take 10 years to finish itself, I said it's a brzach of trust not to update more regularly than once every 2 years. And it is, no matter what the apologists think.

Yeah I really don't care about your opinion or this "issue"

I dont have any personal stake in this and I don't know the Dev.

You are welcome to fight a war with the "apologists", I'm just passing on the official update he posted on discord to the steam forums since the Dev doesn't really use the steam forums themselves.
I'm unsubscribing from the discussion, if theres any future updates on discord I'll create a new one.

Dude, on one hand, you pretend the dev keep the community in the loop, on the other hand, you feel like you need to post any update from the dev on steam because he won't do it himself. Is the cognitive dissonance not to hard to handle?

Originally posted by Cleroth:

The amount of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in this forum is insane... You don't know the dev, you don't know his/her life. You don't know what they're going through. You also don't know the first thing about game development, but you want to ignorantly criticize. The entitlement y'all have for a product that costs basically a single cheap meal is insane. It'll be done when it'll be done. Coming back to this game and demanding updates is like going back to a restaurant you went 2 years ago because the portions were too small for your taste.

Right.... How long was 0.6 on the beta branch without being pushed into the main branch already? Why is the current milestone of the dev not doing that first, before "promising" another year without content while he is doing something else? Since i'm ignorant, please educate me.