"Burned out" Marple last stated half a year ago

[JayXan]

Is this officially dead now? Last post that I can find is that marple is getting off of unity to learn something new and hes burned out on this game. Which is kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ since we paid for a final product eventually.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Isisius:

Huh? I never said you were those 2 people. I said i think they were the same person because one came in insulting everyone and the other came in and defended the guy insulting everyone. I wasnt having a go at you at all i was asking others to settle down.

I am sorry, I misread you. My fault.

Ive got no idea what you are talking about with lotteries. State run lotteries are legal. Fundraising lotteries are legal provided the charitable or non profit org provides written permission to do it on there behalf.
Anything else has a maximum amount they are allowed to have as a prize value until they have to become state run instead.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/money-and-taxes/community-gaming/lotteries#toc-about-the-different-types-of-lotteries

I am just wondering that shouldn't it be illegal based on the law that says that you must disclose full information about the thing you are selling? You are not guaranteed a win when you buy a ticket, so you are basically buying something without knowing what exactly you will get at the end.

It has nothing to do with buying a product online.

Well, you buy a ticket, so isn't the law still applied? Otherwise these ways to bypass the law also work, like steam stating "you may or may not get a final game" means that basically you are buying a ticket which results in either half-game or a full-game so that law is not broken.

[Isisius]

Originally posted by archmag:

Originally posted by Isisius:

Huh? I never said you were those 2 people. I said i think they were the same person because one came in insulting everyone and the other came in and defended the guy insulting everyone. I wasnt having a go at you at all i was asking others to settle down.

I am sorry, I misread you. My fault.

Ive got no idea what you are talking about with lotteries. State run lotteries are legal. Fundraising lotteries are legal provided the charitable or non profit org provides written permission to do it on there behalf.
Anything else has a maximum amount they are allowed to have as a prize value until they have to become state run instead.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/money-and-taxes/community-gaming/lotteries#toc-about-the-different-types-of-lotteries

I am just wondering that shouldn't it be illegal based on the law that says that you must disclose full information about the thing you are selling? You are not guaranteed a win when you buy a ticket, so you are basically buying something without knowing what exactly you will get at the end.

It has nothing to do with buying a product online.

Well, you buy a ticket, so isn't the law still applied? Otherwise these ways to bypass the law also work, like steam stating "you may or may not get a final game" means that basically you are buying a ticket which results in either half-game or a full-game so that law is not broken.

This product isnt protected under consumer law in Australia anyway. Overseas products arent. I already said what he was doing wasnt illegal. Just that we might get our different views on what is the right thing to do when people pay you money on how our countries handle consumer law.

Gambling is managed under its own specific laws, which lotteries fall under.
The Community Gaming Act 2018 and Community Gaming Regulation 2020 it looks like.
The link i sent gives you a summary, but you can drill into the specific legislation if you really want to, there are links to follow on the page i linked.
Also, our gambling laws are some of the worst in the world,
Australia owns something 39% of the pokies machines in the entire world that aren't in a casino. We have them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ everywhere and they take billions of dollars off people with addiction issues.
Our gambling losses countrywide are 40% higher than the nation that comes second.
My state, NSW has 0.15% of the worlds population but 37% of the non-casino poker machines.

Last year the made a profit of around 8.4 billion dollars, with a revenue of 94 billion, and our state only has a population of 8.1 million. We also have one poker machine per 88 people.

But so far any political party that has stood up to say they would remove the pokies has become the target of a multi billion dollar campaign and they dont get re-elected for a while. In Tasmania, a popular state Labor government came down hard on them 25ish years ago and still havent been re-elected.

So if the plan was to say, well you let gambling happen and you dont know the outcome, firstly, gambling has its own set of laws that our regular consumer laws dont apply to, and secondly, i would burn the entire industry to the ground and go to jail for the rest of my life if that were possible.

Random fact: One of our great aussie bands "The Whitlams" sang a song called "Blow up the pokies" and its was a massive hit in the year 2000. The song was about their former bassist who couldnt get past his pokies addiction and killed himself after it had ruined his life. Its not like the regular population doesnt know pokies are evil, its that the companies that own them are so wealthy the can buy elections.

[archmag]

Ok, didn't think that lottery tickets are gambling and not an actual product so it was a bad comparison. That makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification. And wow, interesting info about gambling problems in your country, luckily we don't have such problems or at least they are not that apparent. I've never seen a single casino in my town.

[Domino]

Drowning out other people's opinions with your essays for over half a year is unfair to people trying to express themselves and does not accomplish anything, Replying to 4-5 sentences with paragraphs of rebuttal is not a discussion, it's an introduction of noise which silences anyone else. It isn't "passion", it's fixation. Genuine, unhealthy fixation that a therapist can help with.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Domino:

Drowning out other people's opinions with your essays for over half a year is unfair to people trying to express themselves and does not accomplish anything, Replying to 4-5 sentences with paragraphs of rebuttal is not a discussion, it's an introduction of noise which silences anyone else. It isn't "passion", it's fixation. Genuine, unhealthy fixation that a therapist can help with.

"Trying to express themselves"? Can't they try to express themselves without trying to hurt others publicly and sometimes clearly lying to make their point which is what initially sparked my interest in this thread as you can see by the very first reply? It's not that hard. Sorry if reading more than 4-5 sentences is so hard for you (people do have lower attention span nowadays) but why should I stop if I still had more things to say about that? At least no one of them complained about it and they didn't become silenced, they still replied (sometimes with insults, but still).

Unless you are a qualified medical specialist yourself and not a couch specialist diagnosing someone else's behavior could lead to wrong results which can hurt others so, please, refrain from diagnosing other people. If you feel it is unhealthy for you to participate in such a discussion just move on, it is pretty easy to press Unsubscribe button and forget that this thread even exists.

I tried to keep the amount of sentences to a minimum this time just for you, it still resulted in ~10. I hope that's not too much and you don't feel that I am trying to silence you with the amount of noise again.

[Plitz]

You are arguing since 5 pages with thousands of words, that everyone is morally wrong and dismissing every single argument with your ever repeating nonesense, while you accept not one point from the other side. YOU are the one who is loading this discusion up and heating every one involved up.

When YOU accept, that there are other VALID opinions and other valid arguments everyone else will cool down.

This discussion would have been over 5 pages ago.

This way there is just one thing to add: The Dev is dragging indie games into the dirt with his behavior.

[Domino]

It's pathetic to troll one thread this long and monopolize the discussion other people are trying to have.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Plitz:

You are arguing since 5 pages with thousands of words, that everyone is morally wrong and dismissing every single argument with your ever repeating nonesense, while you accept not one point from the other side. YOU are the one who is loading this discusion up and heating every one involved up.

When your arguments are insults and lies, I will say that they are insults and lies and not arguments.

When YOU accept, that there are other VALID opinions and other valid arguments everyone else will cool down.

When you opinion doesn't affect other people negatively without actual reason then I may accept it. There are certainly multiple valid opinions but when you say that someone owes you something when they don't and that they are bad because of that that seems wrong. Also why should I accept it and not you? You said your opinion, I said mine, both most likely won't change so you can just move on and let it go even if it is different from mine.

You very passionately provided some "real definition of EA" some time ago which directly contradicts definition used by steam, but you never said what source you got it from. Based on your definition EA is basically a form of a fund raiser for a development of a game. And if this was actually true and devs could release some trash with promises of a better game in the future just to collect some money this would be a huge issue and you would be right in demanding that EA games don't get abandoned. But steam says differently, it doesn't say that EA is the game that is being worked on, it says that it is an unfinished game which may never get finished. It says that it should not be used to collect money to fund development and that there must be an actually playable version at the moment of starting an EA. And I know that some devs use it incorrectly as a fund raiser and you would be right to go and complain there, but this one actually gave us a fully playable game just without an ending. So he didn't cheat us, he completed the minimal requirement for a valid EA process. It is sad that he couldn't finish it yet, but I am pretty sure it's not because he didn't want to finish his game. Like how do you imagine a person investing so much into their project, polishing it for years, even having a free version and then just going away in the middle of it without seeing it to the end?

This discussion would have been over 5 pages ago.

It could have been over on page one if people who prefer to blame devs didn't fan the fire. I just corrected some mistakes in the initial post and only later some people came with their own definition of EA and started to heat up the thread.

This way there is just one thing to add: The Dev is dragging indie games into the dirt with his behavior.

This. This is exactly the thing that keeps this stupid discussion going. You have no idea why he does that. Why do you have a right to blame him if a) he doesn't owe you, b) you have no idea why he stopped, c) you have no idea if he even stopped or just went silent again for a longer period of time. He is not dragging indie games into the dirt, you are the one dragging them into the dirt by combining developers who actually tried but weren't able to get to the finish with such devs that just lie, take your money and don't even give you a good unfinished game that is worth that money.

tldr: just a question to summarize the issue - do you think the current version of the game is worth the money you paid for it? If Yes - no reason to complain, you already got your money worth, If No - no reason to blame dev if you were the one that accepted that version of the game without first confirming that it was enough specifically for you when there are warnings everywhere that you must do that if you decide to participate in EA.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Domino:

It's pathetic to troll one thread this long and monopolize the discussion other people are trying to have.

Lol, what discussion are you trying to have in this thread? People just come here to complain that dev does not do things expected from him by them and to argue with me when I say those complains are worthless as he already did quite a lot. Did I miss something else happening here? No one is discussing game mechanics or future plans or anything else.

[Plitz]

Yeah, way to go. With every post YOU make i hate the Dev more ... I would have been over the issue 2 weeks ago, but here you are stiring up the flames. Over and over and over and over again.

fully convinced: Biggest troll ever. Arguments so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb and long, that there is no way he can believe them himself.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Plitz:

Yeah, way to go. With every post YOU make i hate the Dev more ... I would have been over the issue 2 weeks ago, but here you are stiring up the flames. Over and over and over and over again.

This doesn't even make sense...

[Plitz]

Go on! Even more hate! Sure as hell i am not the only one that gets fired up by your sh*t.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Plitz:

Go on! Even more hate! Sure as hell i am not the only one that gets fired up by your sh*t.

You should consult Domino to analyze that some random person posting stuff on internet makes you hate some other person. Maybe he can clarify if this is a healthy behaviour but to me it seems unhealthy. I am not a licenced therapist though, so don't take my word on it.

Or we can try to play a small game. Imagine: you are the dev. You released the game in EA thinking you will finish it. You couldn't finish it. You tried for months, invested a lot of effort, but still couldn't. What would you do differently to the current dev to not appear as a bad person to your customers?

I may guess Isisius' answer will be: "post info about this". Perfectly valid answer, everyone wishes for more info, we hate silence, so let's add another condition: for some unknown reason you can't post info about this (maybe too shy?). What would you do?

Or another game. You are a super being with an ability to punish devs who abandon EA (drain -$100,000 from their account, you don't get the money, they just disappear). Will you punish this dev? Do you think that existance of such a being will be better for EA games overall or worse?

[Plitz]

Its not like you are the one ... its your argumentation, that absolutely makes no sense, so that i get even more convinced, that the Dev is a piece of ****. Go on, defend him more! Brabble even more nonsense! There is always more room for hate.

[archmag]

Originally posted by Plitz:

Its not like you are the one ... its your argumentation, that absolutely makes no sense, so that i get even more convinced, that the Dev is a piece of ****. Go on, defend him more! Brabble even more nonsense! There is always more room for hate.

Are you just using ChatGPT now to make posts? They don't make sense at all. I didn't have any arguments in the previous post just asked you to try to give some answers to some questions.

Its not like you are the one

The one what? My English fails me.