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Jul 5, 2023 @ 9:00am
Elevating Your Youth Intakes In FM23
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HonestChanges Jul 6, 2023 @ 12:29am 
Need more help loaning my youths out tbh. No clubs seem interested and I have followed a bunch of methods suggested on YT. It was the same in previous versions of the game also, so maybe this should be looked into? Great game and hope to see more improvements!
飞天萝卜 Jul 6, 2023 @ 2:48am 
如果玩的时间一长年轻而且潜力高的人会越来越多,这太不符合常理了。
Dipperly Jul 6, 2023 @ 12:01pm 
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Need more help loaning my youths out tbh. No clubs seem interested and I have followed a bunch of methods suggested on YT. It was the same in previous versions of the game also, so maybe this should be looked into? Great game and hope to see more improvements!

I had this same issue, for me it came up to just having more loaded leagues. I know teams can make offers even if not loaded but personally after adding more leagues, the difference is huge.
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Need more help loaning my youths out tbh. No clubs seem interested and I have followed a bunch of methods suggested on YT. It was the same in previous versions of the game also, so maybe this should be looked into? Great game and hope to see more improvements!
Either try and send them down to losing or projected to lose teams, if that doesn't work try the same thing but everywhere outside your country. If that still doesnt work just keep them available for one of your unders and schedule more intramural under 18's vs 21-23's friendlies
tbf not much you can do it's just a dice roll when it comes to youth intakes
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HonestChanges Jul 7, 2023 @ 2:35am 
Originally posted by Dipperly:
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Need more help loaning my youths out tbh. No clubs seem interested and I have followed a bunch of methods suggested on YT. It was the same in previous versions of the game also, so maybe this should be looked into? Great game and hope to see more improvements!

I had this same issue, for me it came up to just having more loaded leagues. I know teams can make offers even if not loaded but personally after adding more leagues, the difference is huge.
Thanks for the response, My machine is fairly powerful and run most games on ultra settings where possible and in my FM saves I have selected ENG (All Leagues) PORT (All Leagues) BRAZ (All Leagues) GER (All Leagues) BELG (All Leagues) FRAN (All Leagues) USA (All Leagues) SPAIN (All Leagues) ITA (All Leagues) Pretty much most of Europe with a few flavours from south america and the U.S.A I am still 4.5 stars for computer performance and was even considering adding more league during my current game play?. A friend of mine informed me that he played his youths on rotation in his first team as Arsenal not only were there stats OP technical, flair, agility etc he offered them for a loan and nothing... same as me! I pray the Devs read comments and take note. fingers crossed and thanks again:steamthumbsup:
Myll Jul 9, 2023 @ 3:05am 
I'm actually opposed to the same-as-it-ever-was approach in FM Series to Youth Intake. This isn't how it works in the Real World (just once a year) and SI could really improve upon this process instead of it being an "event."
There are continuous recruiting events, try-out events, camps, leagues - that collectively could be better represented in the game, even though the output would still be the ever expected RNG nature of random gaming events. I would rather have a "rolling lottery" system in the FM game, where along the course of a game year, at any time a new Youth club candidate pops up, than the current single-event which amounts to - Here you go, take it or leave it from this batch of kids that just showed up.

The current process is inane and unprofessional, in contrast to the way it really works out there. Youth candidates come and go throughout an entire calendar year. They don't just show up in March. Having Youth events through the course of a game year could be seen as a distraction, but if you want to get into the weeds of Football Management, you are also balancing your time to keep that Youth pipeline open (and not just open for a single day in March).
azymin Jul 9, 2023 @ 11:42am 
Your loaned out players also have to perform well in order to progress. You won't see someone improve if their ratings are in mid 6's. Problem is that a lot of the time players don't want to be loaned out to a level of league at which they would perform well. Frankly if I see a youngster who has a big future with my team I just play them in senior squad a bit. It ends up being best for their development.
pintsizegeezer97 Jul 10, 2023 @ 1:48pm 
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Originally posted by Dipperly:

I had this same issue, for me it came up to just having more loaded leagues. I know teams can make offers even if not loaded but personally after adding more leagues, the difference is huge.
Thanks for the response, My machine is fairly powerful and run most games on ultra settings where possible and in my FM saves I have selected ENG (All Leagues) PORT (All Leagues) BRAZ (All Leagues) GER (All Leagues) BELG (All Leagues) FRAN (All Leagues) USA (All Leagues) SPAIN (All Leagues) ITA (All Leagues) Pretty much most of Europe with a few flavours from south america and the U.S.A I am still 4.5 stars for computer performance and was even considering adding more league during my current game play?. A friend of mine informed me that he played his youths on rotation in his first team as Arsenal not only were there stats OP technical, flair, agility etc he offered them for a loan and nothing... same as me! I pray the Devs read comments and take note. fingers crossed and thanks again:steamthumbsup:

hi what computerdo u have as im looking to getting new one and want to be able to run loads of league like you have?
good2benc Jul 11, 2023 @ 1:15am 
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Originally posted by Dipperly:

I had this same issue, for me it came up to just having more loaded leagues. I know teams can make offers even if not loaded but personally after adding more leagues, the difference is huge.
Thanks for the response, My machine is fairly powerful and run most games on ultra settings where possible and in my FM saves I have selected ENG (All Leagues) PORT (All Leagues) BRAZ (All Leagues) GER (All Leagues) BELG (All Leagues) FRAN (All Leagues) USA (All Leagues) SPAIN (All Leagues) ITA (All Leagues) Pretty much most of Europe with a few flavours from south america and the U.S.A I am still 4.5 stars for computer performance and was even considering adding more league during my current game play?. A friend of mine informed me that he played his youths on rotation in his first team as Arsenal not only were there stats OP technical, flair, agility etc he offered them for a loan and nothing... same as me! I pray the Devs read comments and take note. fingers crossed and thanks again:steamthumbsup:
I think what you can do is not load all leagues in each country. For me, what I do is play the best leagues available in each continents, for example, in south America; Bra (1st and 2nd div), Arg (1st and 2nd div), Col (1st div), North America; USA (MLS), Mex (1st div), Asia; China (CSL), Japan (J-League), Korea (1st div), Africa has just one playable league I think, Europe; All leagues in England up to League 2 or Vana National, FRA ESP GER ITA only 1st and 2nd div, In Greece Austria NED ROU BEL SCO WAL SWI POR POL RUS SERB TURK etc I play only the 1st division. With this you can have more coverage and database of players and clubs you can loan players to both for free and for fees. Many of these clubs also have really good academy systems as well as training facilities which would aid the development of your players and also give them playing time. Having a really wide coverage of leagues across multiple continents can also aid with your scouting reach because its difficult to get in-depth knowledge on players and these leagues if there not playable. Most times information of some league divisions below the 2nd division holds no quality info for you and it takes up game speed. I've been using this on every FM I've played and it has always worked. Also work on the recruitment structure of your club, with a really good Loan manager, technical director, Head of youth development and Sporting Director, recruiting and loaning out players should be a lot more easier. Also improving the scouting profile of the scouts you have in the aspects of scouting coverage would also be beneficial as they'll aid in improving information you'd receive of possible destinations and also keeping track of the players you have out and potential youth and senior targets.

Hope this helps. :steamthumbsup:
HonestChanges Jul 11, 2023 @ 12:06pm 
Originally posted by good2benc:
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Thanks for the response, My machine is fairly powerful and run most games on ultra settings where possible and in my FM saves I have selected ENG (All Leagues) PORT (All Leagues) BRAZ (All Leagues) GER (All Leagues) BELG (All Leagues) FRAN (All Leagues) USA (All Leagues) SPAIN (All Leagues) ITA (All Leagues) Pretty much most of Europe with a few flavours from south america and the U.S.A I am still 4.5 stars for computer performance and was even considering adding more league during my current game play?. A friend of mine informed me that he played his youths on rotation in his first team as Arsenal not only were there stats OP technical, flair, agility etc he offered them for a loan and nothing... same as me! I pray the Devs read comments and take note. fingers crossed and thanks again:steamthumbsup:
I think what you can do is not load all leagues in each country. For me, what I do is play the best leagues available in each continents, for example, in south America; Bra (1st and 2nd div), Arg (1st and 2nd div), Col (1st div), North America; USA (MLS), Mex (1st div), Asia; China (CSL), Japan (J-League), Korea (1st div), Africa has just one playable league I think, Europe; All leagues in England up to League 2 or Vana National, FRA ESP GER ITA only 1st and 2nd div, In Greece Austria NED ROU BEL SCO WAL SWI POR POL RUS SERB TURK etc I play only the 1st division. With this you can have more coverage and database of players and clubs you can loan players to both for free and for fees. Many of these clubs also have really good academy systems as well as training facilities which would aid the development of your players and also give them playing time. Having a really wide coverage of leagues across multiple continents can also aid with your scouting reach because its difficult to get in-depth knowledge on players and these leagues if there not playable. Most times information of some league divisions below the 2nd division holds no quality info for you and it takes up game speed. I've been using this on every FM I've played and it has always worked. Also work on the recruitment structure of your club, with a really good Loan manager, technical director, Head of youth development and Sporting Director, recruiting and loaning out players should be a lot more easier. Also improving the scouting profile of the scouts you have in the aspects of scouting coverage would also be beneficial as they'll aid in improving information you'd receive of possible destinations and also keeping track of the players you have out and potential youth and senior targets.

Hope this helps. :steamthumbsup:

Defo gives me something to look into, trial and test I guess. Thanks for the help!:steamthumbsup:
HonestChanges Jul 11, 2023 @ 12:40pm 
Originally posted by pintsizegeezer:
Originally posted by HonestChanges:
Thanks for the response, My machine is fairly powerful and run most games on ultra settings where possible and in my FM saves I have selected ENG (All Leagues) PORT (All Leagues) BRAZ (All Leagues) GER (All Leagues) BELG (All Leagues) FRAN (All Leagues) USA (All Leagues) SPAIN (All Leagues) ITA (All Leagues) Pretty much most of Europe with a few flavours from south america and the U.S.A I am still 4.5 stars for computer performance and was even considering adding more league during my current game play?. A friend of mine informed me that he played his youths on rotation in his first team as Arsenal not only were there stats OP technical, flair, agility etc he offered them for a loan and nothing... same as me! I pray the Devs read comments and take note. fingers crossed and thanks again:steamthumbsup:

hi what computerdo u have as im looking to getting new one and want to be able to run loads of league like you have?

Sorry just noticed this.... I use a multi-setup so basically I have two machines blended to one but also used for work aswell. The specs are as follows:

Corsair H150i ELITE RGB 360mm AIO - Black

Thermal Paste:
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Pro-Grade Thermal Compound

Motherboard:
ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI, Socket AM5, PCIe 5.0, 4x M.2, AX WiFi 6E, USB 3.2, ATX

Memory (RAM):
64GB (2x32GB) DDR5/5600MHz CAS40 (Corsair Vengeance Black)

Graphics Card (GPU):
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X Graphics Card (ASUS ROG STRIX - White)

1st Storage Drive/Boot Drive – M.2 SSD:
500GB WD Black SN850, PCIe 4.0, NVMe SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 4100MB/s Write (Ultra High Speed)

3rd Storage Drive – SATA SSD:
4TB Samsung 870 EVO, 2.5" SATA SSD, 560MB/s Read, 530MB/s Write

4th Storage Drive – HDD:
8TB Seagate BarraCuda, 3.5" HDD SATA, 5400rpm (Storage/Backup Drive)

Power Supply:
1600W ASUS ROG THOR Black, 80 Plus Titanium, ATX PSU (Fully Modular)

Cable Management:
PSU Braided Extension Kit (Carbon & Yellow) - Fully Managed

10x Premium Brand RGB Case Fans (Choose whether to match the case or CPU cooler fans. I.E Lian Li, NZXT, Corsair)

Video Cables:
3m Display Port Cable & 3m HDMI Cable

Operating System:
Microsoft Windows 11 Professional 64-Bit

49" G95SC Odyssey OLED G9 240Hz Smart Curved Gaming Monitor
Dell 32" 4K UHD Gaming Monitor - G3223Q

:steamthumbsup:
Myll Jul 16, 2023 @ 9:26pm 
Originally posted by Jimmy Wong:
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https://steamcommunity.com/ogg/1904540/announcements/detail/3700316864561253062
SI Dev's/CMs, and even the Lead Designer; We need to have a serious talk. So I've play-tested to the FM23 Youth Intake "event" point, saved before the day the Youth Intake occurs, so that I could see if RNG randomness takes effect, or if you actually had a set group of kids baking in the oven that would actually match what was initially hinted at when Youth Intake forecasts were made.

It was totally RNG. The only thing that stayed the same was the Name/Nationality of the top prospect, but that individual was also RNG - for Position, their Height, virtual appearance - everything. I've been looking at about 20 versions of "Bledar Duli of Albania" who is always tagged as the best of my recruits (and I'm playing England's Vanarama North lowest tier, so an Albanian really stands out when it's the same name and nationality for 20+ reloaded RNG attempts). A few other same/same names and nationalities also carry out.

The "Quantity of Quality" level is also RNG. Sometimes I get as high as 2x Elite Talents, sometimes just one, and sometimes none and the first level of quality is then "Top Talents" (the 2nd tier of talent in Youth Intake).

And worse, it's RNG as to the Personalities. Really SI? At least in past FM versions, the Personalities trended towards the Personality of the Head of Youth Development. I have scars from past FM versions for not checking my staffs' personalities, so I'm now quite particular that 100% of my Club's staff (Youth Dev especially) all are Balanced or better personalities.

But even the staffs' stats don't seem to matter in FM23. Worse - you allow the top tier "Elite" talent to RNG into "Unambitious" or "Low Determination" or "Low Self Belief" type personalities (and any other negative personalities). Really? So you think the staff of a Club, and the Head of Youth Development in particular, would carry along Elite/Top Talent that have zero motivation to be professionals?

Like I said, we need to have a more serious talk about your problems (perhaps the bunch of you at SI should lie down on a couch for this session).

I've been part of, and seen the results of - extremely complex game development, but I cannot believe that you left Youth Intake to the RNG gods (benevolent as they are). As result, you have encouraged a system of Save/Scum process for Youth Intake "day" (an Event that should instead be a process btw), to constantly reload the game over and over, until the Elite talent has a fully positive personality + stats combination to be beneficial to the long-term interests of the club. And the forecast from game-months past, of what I was to expect - it didn't even play out. I needed a goalie, was told that one of my better prospects would be a goalie. None of the Elite or Top Talent recruits in 20+ reloads were goalies. I take that back, there was 1, in one load - was a Top Talent but Unambitious personality, and useless as result.

You really do need to get under the hood on this one, and totally overhaul Youth Intake, because it should never again be an RNG "Event" in the game, and you need to rethink allowing the RNG aspect of negative Personality traits to dominate half or more of the Youth Intake candidates. The Elite level and Top Talent levels should have stratified results that more realistically portray personalities you would expect of youth who want to be professionals. For a game about a "Professional Sport" -- this part of the game comes off as Unprofessional, and there's no better word to describe this flaw in the FM Series, at this point.
Last edited by Myll; Jul 16, 2023 @ 9:52pm
Myll Jul 20, 2023 @ 9:09pm 
Having revisited yet another Youth Intake (YI) event, I can say with confidence that the entire FM player base should do this for each Youth Intake:
- Save the game the day before the Youth Intake.
- Load that game and advance to YI day and view the rating and talent being proposed (it will be RNG/randomly generated, as described in my prior post).
- If you receive anything but the top rated intake (displays as "Excellent Intake" with all 5 gold stars), you're already starting with less talent than possible. Reload, try again.
- If you do have a 5-star Excellent YI, proceed to view the player described as the top talent among all of them. Does that player have Balanced or better Personality? If not, reload, try again. To get even more picky, verify that this Top Talent at Coach Report doesn't show a vulnerability to injuries. And look at Natural Fitness, if that is 6 or below, no matter the Personality, Reload, and Try Again.
- From that point, once you do have that top talent player and he's worth signing up for the squad, it is then a matter of preference, whether you are trying to get the most breadth or depth in talent from this YI event. However, I highly suggest that if you don't like what you see, just Reload, and try again.
- You may find yourself reloading the game 20 times or more, before you get a decent mix of talent for your squad.

It's like the lottery, but one thing this will teach you is that FM is subject to RNG for these types of events. I'm a bit frustrated with the approach, as I really thought the forecast would hold out for decent intake in certain positions. That's not how it works. You will see candidates in those positions that were forecasted, but with RNG at play, let's say your forecast said you'd have a great Midfielder -- well you may get as many as 3 Midfielders among the candidates - but none may have decent Personalities and stats. So the forecast is really only pointing toward where the density of candidates will appear, not actually whether they will have stats and/or personalities worth keeping on the squad.
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