Wow, my first restarted match

[Xaverok]

30 minutes in I just watched a player take a penalty, smash it against the bar and the ball rebounds fairly slowly back in a straight line to the penalty taker, he proceeds to stand still as the ball rolls up to feet and bounces off him without him moving a muscle, somehow someway the defenders from the edge of the box manage to make it to the spot and clear the ball that has just rolled back to the penalty taker and clear the ball out for a throw in...... the penalty taker still hasnt moved...... what is wrong with this match engine......

I can understand missing a penalty but that was just a p*** take, instant 5.8 rating for missing a penalty because the match engine refused a tap in by stopping the taker from even moving..... so many weird and quite literally stupid interactions happen in this match engine the game is quite literally unplayable at times

[HUNT3R]

It's the rules of football. He's not allowed to touch the ball again until someone else has.

[Murraymint]

Originally posted by HUNT3R:

It's the rules of football. He's not allowed to touch the ball again until someone else has.

HUNT3R is correct

If you take a penalty and it only hits the post, the taker can’t play the ball again. If they were to touch the ball again, it will be a foul.

An indirect free kick will be awarded to your opponent’s team instead!

[Greenboy007]

As people have stated it is in the rules that he can not strike ball again without another player touching ball. So guess we must celebrate the match engine for being soooooo good in depicting the game.

[Daymeon6969]

alright

[Xaverok]

And yet fast forward to a couple of games later, a penalty in every game, the latest one rebounds off the post instead of the cross bar and the player runs to it and taps it in....... Even though it is stated in the laws of the game the consistency in the match engine is p*** poor

This match engine is just a steaming pile of garbage in every sense of the phrase, tier 10 teams can play like real life barcelona when its their turn to attack and your team isnt allowed to touch the ball again until the match engine decides it is your turn to attack, players dont even make attempts for the ball in the first minute of the game because its not their turn, the visual representation of the match engine is disgusting to watch at times.

SI has really destroyed their own franchise over the last couple of additions and remain completely silent about the features that are requested on version after version but hey as long as we can see how many social media followers our club has gained over the course of a season who cares about the quality of the matches we are watching. Roll on FM24 so we can see how badly the match engine continues to perform in favour of more nonsense features

[Xaverok]

Anyway the point is the lack of realism, can you provide some real world examples of a penalty rebounding off the woodwork and the taker stands like a statue on the spot? I've seen penalties rebounding and the taker instinctively moves towards the ball, puts it in the back of the net and its blown for a freekick but never in my life have I see a player stand rooted although it seems to be a fairly common experience on this match engine that players just stop moving to let opposition players through because match engine things, I really hope that SI starts investing in the areas of the game that actually matter to make this game enjoyable again, it is quite boring winning 6 - 0 with goalkeepers getting 2 assists per game and being on shorter passing instructions to watch your defenders get multiple assists because of long balls over the top every 5 ingame minutes and watching defenders trying to head a ball that is 20 foot in the air to then stand there and watch a striker run past them get a 20 yard head start before they decide to jog back with no urgency what so ever.

[Saintree]

Originally posted by Xaverok:

Anyway the point is the lack of realism, can you provide some real world examples of a penalty rebounding off the woodwork and the taker stands like a statue on the spot? I've seen a number of penalties rebounding and the taker instinctively moves towards the ball, puts it in the back of the net and its blown for a freekick but never in my life have I see a player stand rooted although it seems to be a fairly common experience on this match engine that players just stop moving to let opposition players through because match engine things, I really hope that SI starts investing in the areas of the game that actually matter to make this game enjoyable again, it is quite boring winning 6 - 0 with goalkeepers getting 2 assists per game and being on shorter passing instructions to watch your defenders get multiple assists because of long balls over the top every 5 ingame minutes and watching defenders trying to head a ball that is 20 foot in the air to then stand there and watch a striker run past them get a 20 yard head start before they decide to jog back with no urgency what so ever.

You are asking the devs to add complexity for no reason. The player cannot touch the ball, so why does it matter where he goes? It is a rare occurrence already in game or in reality, so there really is no reason to take effort in this when there is so much more to improve.
Also, I secretly think you are just ranting to hide the fact that you do not know this rule. There is no shame to admit it; modern football rules are byzantine and even some referees can get them wrong.

[Xaverok]

By all means good sir, go back and watch leeds/city penalty where the player didnt stand still like a statue and scored from the rebound to be given as a freekick which is honestly the only example I can think of from like 30 odd years ago, I am asking for some sort of realism you know what the current match engine is completely lacking?

Like how players run away from the ball to allow opposition strikers to run 30 yards to collect the ball first instead of the defender moving 5 yards to collect the ball, realism.
Or how strikers will stand 10 yards offside and never once attempt to get back onside at least until the player with the ball runs past them down the edge of the pitch until they forced to be onside, realism.
Or how a corner can be cleared and nobody will even attempt to make to the ball instead letting a striker run from the centre circle to the edge of the box to collect the ball when their are 4 defenders within 10 yards of the ball.
Or defenders under 0 pressure heading the ball to the opposition 15 yards away instead of heading it to a team mate that is 5 yards away in 3 directions.
Or how defenders attempt to head balls that are 20 foot in the air when they are 6 foot and stand there and watch strikers get a 20 yard ahead start on them before thinking I should go try and get back and defend, realism.
Or how goalkeepers run out of their goal but not in the direction of the ball and then wonder how the striker has managed to pass it into the net whilst they dive backwards from the penalty spot, realism.
Or how this version of the match engine revolves around goalkeepers getting an assist every single game with constant long balls up field because you guessed it, realism.
This list could go on for another thousand+ examples because this match engine is utter trash but I wont bore you with the numerous examples of unrealistic examples of footballer behaviour on the field.

I am asking the devs for realism in this football management simulator, now I know good sir, it is far easier to try and belittle someones response instead of criticising this s***show of a match engine because maybe SI will add you to the payroll for defending their game one day, their is no shame in admitting you are a fanboi you see them on every thread that criticises this match engine for its unrealistic behaviours, but arent you fed up of watching unrealistic movements, nonexistent movements or just downright stupid movements on this match engine? Something so simple as "ball moves directly to player, player moves directly to ball" is just basic realism is it not? Can you think of any player in the world who would stand still with a ball rebounding to them from the woodwork and not tapping the ball into the net regardless of it being a foul or not? But by all means stand behind "its too much work for the devs" who get hundreds of thousands of pounds every year for releasing the same game with an increasingly broken match engine because they are adding so many trash features that nobody asks for each year

['Strict]

I do have to agree with a lot here, not so much the penalties though.

But corners and being cleared towards your player that just looks at it and doesn't move until the opposite teams player gets the ball.

Throw ins where your player has 3 open teammates but decides to throw it to the opposing player.

My wingers constantly running to the line, turns around and then passes backwards instead of trying to cross (and yes I have set up crosses and also tried with "Hit early crosses")



I did an experiment with making a second manager that took over Man C, I sold or released every single player they had and then I faced them with my team of Wonderkids and Superstars, I had 12 shots from outside the area, eventhough I use "work ball into box" but yeah, they never crossed the ball or even tried to pass into the area.
They scored 3 goals with all players being greyed out/non-existant.


I still enjoy the game....but I have to say I actually prefered this series of games before they went 3D (I prefered the dots =)

[Xaverok]

Dam someone talking sense and not just fan boi'ing at the franchise in response to one of these threads, you get so used to people responding with "git gud" because the match engine is utter trash it genuinely gets boring posting any sort of criticism about the game

[Kyle Brown]

To just nip this in the bud - I've added the request for more realistic player animation when rebounding a penalty - hopefully it's something we can consider for future versions. :)