Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

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King May 25 @ 5:28pm
Were Devs affraid of Woke backlash? (Act 1 Spoiler)
Gustave death really came as a surpirse because I thought he was kinda the main character. I grew to like him, the story was perfect so far but then I felt a sudden switch towards Maelle as the lead. The story was still fine. I prefered Gustave ofcourse, but the way they immediately replaced my boy without any mourning is out of place.

But then it got me thinking... So what if they didnt replace him immediately?
We would end up with 3 "female girl bosses" as options only in party, one of them who one-shots everything (Maelle the Mary Sue), the story taken away from Gustave. I believe the Devs were affraid many of the anti-woke community would just rage quit.

Thoughts? If I analyse all the rage from past games and movies, the recipe for disaster was certainly there. I believe this game would still prevail in that scenario because its just that good, the gameplay and storywise whether it revolves around female or male, it just doesn't matter because the fundamentals are so damn great.

Edit: Most of you are derailing from the main question. This is not about act 2 or 3. This is about a specific moment when gustave died. If they didnt end up replacing him immediately, we would end up with 3 girlbosses, one of them Mary Sue who stole the show from our great Gustave. I believe this would look bad and hence why they rushed Verso into picture.
Maelle is indeed Mary Sue, because she's proven to be the strongest without development from the very start till the end by all the min-maxers community.
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This PC May 25 @ 5:35pm 
You made expectations and assumptions, and you were wrong.
I also feel you haven't played the game enough to judge.
I also feel you should respect the story they're trying to tell, if you want to tell one, I urge you to do so, if it's appealing, I'll gladly buy into the experience. ^^''
I can't tell you more, that'd be a disservice to you, others probably will tho, so I suggest you close this thread. :P
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Griever May 25 @ 5:35pm 
I personally don't think Maelle was ready to be the main character in Act 2.
You need a more mature adult charismatic character, and Verso was essential for this.
Also, I haven't played to the end of Act 2, but the way they are setting up Verso makes him an essential part of the story, so I think they had to make act 2 about Verso being central. Lune or Sciel are basically side characters. Only Maelle could be MC but not in Act 2.
This PC May 25 @ 5:37pm 
I'll only say that Verso and Maelle are much more main characters, and Maelle isn't a Mary Sue, though the kind of people that say these words tend to call any empowered female character "Mary Sue", even if they're justifiably badass. :P

I feel using that term says more about OP than Maelle.
Last edited by This PC; May 25 @ 5:38pm
I feel games that let you create your own character scare way more DEI because they don't verfify they your playing the same gender you are in real life.
This PC May 25 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by korytoombs:
I feel games that let you create your own character scare way more DEI because they don't verfify they your playing the same gender you are in real life.
sounds like something someone who got catfished would say
The "anti-woke community" don't "rage quit" over appealing, well-written female characters so I don't believe that was the dev's concern.
Tenshu May 25 @ 5:45pm 
OP doesn't know what girl-bosses or what Mary Sue means, move along people.
Originally posted by Tenshu:
OP doesn't know what girl-bosses or what Mary Sue means, move along people.

Yes. This.
Me May 25 @ 5:47pm 
It's just storytelling. Gustave was important to establish Maelle's character, but he was never the heart of the story. And the developers clearly wanted a Game of Throne's moment by making you think he was. But he gave Maelle drive and purpose, and that was his role. Verso was introduced because he is actually a much more important character than Gustave, and far more important to Maelle as well.
King May 25 @ 5:55pm 
Originally posted by This PC:
You made expectations and assumptions, and you were wrong.
I also feel you haven't played the game enough to judge.
I also feel you should respect the story they're trying to tell, if you want to tell one, I urge you to do so, if it's appealing, I'll gladly buy into the experience. ^^''
I can't tell you more, that'd be a disservice to you, others probably will tho, so I suggest you close this thread. :P

Solid points! I'm actually affraid to read any further, not to mention I read some of them are mad at me for even questioning. Like are we going to pretend the biggest anti-woke movement didnt take place recently? It was a fair question given that possible scenario.

For the game itself, I still enjoy it and plan to finish, nothing else more to add.
King May 25 @ 5:58pm 
Originally posted by Tenshu:
OP doesn't know what girl-bosses or what Mary Sue means, move along people.
I thought Mary Sue meant a female protagonist who is absolute a powerhouse from the very start without much development? That's how I see Maelle and according to polls, everyone else seem to think she's blatantly OP throughout the whole game from start to finish.
Its a woke game what did you expect.
Sex sells nobody wants to make games with a male character anymore.
Its either transgender chatacter or a gay lesbian like this game has both in game.
JCKLNTRN May 25 @ 6:01pm 
I think you greatly overestimate the extent to which developers give any thought to the "anti-woke" crowd. Despite how loud and obnoxious they can be on the Steam forums, their actual impact on sales and a game's reception, is not really all that much.

It would be pointless to try and cater to them anyway, as they are difficult to please and very easily offended. For example, with this game, we had them whining here about Gustave showing emotion after watching most of his friends and comrades die very suddenly at the very beginning of the expedition, at first thinking he was the only survivor.
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King May 25 @ 6:02pm 
Originally posted by This PC:
I'll only say that Verso and Maelle are much more main characters, and Maelle isn't a Mary Sue, though the kind of people that say these words tend to call any empowered female character "Mary Sue", even if they're justifiably badass. :P

I feel using that term says more about OP than Maelle.

I don't think that's fair thing to say since I have her in my party and enjoy playing her, but I cant deny the fact she's blatantly OP, like tiers above everyone else. Sorry, but I always speak the truth no matter how much it hurts or politically incorrect. What makes her Mary Sue without dispute is that she's OP from the very get-go till the end. I miss development.
Last edited by King; May 25 @ 6:03pm
Originally posted by FWDKILLER:
Its a woke game what did you expect.
Sex sells nobody wants to make games with a male character anymore.
Its either transgender chatacter or a gay lesbian like this game has both in game.

Which one's the lesbian and which one is trans?

I didn't think your ramblings could get even more deranged than they already were but here we are.
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