[Spoilers] It's not genocide.

[Kofina]

When the threat of death isn't finite and the painted people can be brought back willy nilly, then it's not genocide.
Sciel even confirms this during the start of act 3 when they are brought back by Alicia/Maelle with the help of Verso's guidance
https://i.imgur.com/eLDU4tQ.jpeg

[Spawn of Apathy]

It seemed to me that was only possible because their souls were still in the canvas. Repainting them in a new canvas would mean Alicia would need to make up what she doesn’t know, creating new and different versions of them.

[thorin.hannahs]

I mean sort of? Death isn't death so long as my god doesn't let me die? But if I am erased by another god in conflict with my god I am....what?

If my very god human dies and another god human erases me am I dead?

[Talbot]

The game strongly implies, if not outright states, that there's some conservation of chroma nuances to bringing people back, so if the original canvas and associated chroma is gone, you couldn't really bring anyone back any better than the Paintress "brought back" Verso by making her own phony version of him.

[Ogami]

You may have missed the part where Maelle explicity collects their specific chroma before fleeing Lumire with Verso.
Thats the only reason they could been brought back as they were with their memories intact.
Thats also ONLY possible in this specific canvas with the original chroma.
Sure, Maelle/Alicia could create her own canvas and make copies of those characters from her memories but it would just be that, copies just like painted Verso is a copy.
They look and sound like the original version but are not and do not behave as them either.

Only way to save the people of the Lumire we know from the game is Maelle taking control of the canvas and the chroma within to repaint everything with the original chroma.

So yes, its still "genocide" because destroying the canvas will 100% destroy all those characters and their personalties forever.

[C1REX]

I’m not even sure if they are revived or repainted.
Verso says to Maelle that she needs to remember them to paint. So they may be just a mirror of her memory of them and not Aline’s as they oryginaly were. They would reaper as Maele remembers them but not exactly revived.
And the more fresh memory, more vivid, the better the painting.
Chroma means saturation btw.

[Kofina]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Only way to save the people of the Lumire we know from the game is Maelle taking control of the canvas and the chroma within to repaint everything with the original chroma.

So yes, its still "genocide" because destroying the canvas will 100% destroy all those characters and their personalties forever.

But that's the problem. Aline created all of the people in Verso's canvas, which is why they're so easily erased.
Of course Alicia/Maelle can't bring them back without their chroma, they weren't her creations in the first place, and it's not her canvas, nor is it her parents', it's Verso's and his literal life.
A lot of this comes down to her not even painting or being good at it in the first place, which is why she needed Verso's guidance and practice to even be good at using chroma (I'll just call it paint because that's literally what it is) and even then she couldn't fully give them form or maintain them.

There is still no looming threat of "death" because that's not what it is for the people of Lumeire, because if given the chance to do so, Aline herself could've brought them all back in the canvas has she not been kicked out.

[Carface Is My Spirit Animal]

[Spoilers] It is and you're wrong

[Kofina]

Originally posted by Carface Is My Spirit Animal:

[Spoilers] It is and you're wrong

Then refute my argument.

[giganova]

Grok is correct, it's not genocide.

[Ogami]

The devs gave an interview a few days ago to an French gaming podcast and talked extensively about the endings and their implications.
First off, they stated that neither ending is "good" or "the right one" and they do not prefer any ending over the other. They both have good and bad implications about them and its entirely up to player interpretation.

They also said that if destroying the canvas could be considered "genocide" is again purely dependent on your perception of the story.
Do you consider the inhabitants of Lumire as sentient beings with their own will, self determination and will to live? Then its indeed genocide destroying the canvas.

If you consider them being created/fake meaning that they are not really sentient but basically just AI characters following a "role" assigned to them and just emulate having free will/self conciousness then erasing the canvas is not genocide and not different then uninstalling a game you played and deleting the save files.

But again, they do not lean to one side any more then the other and explicitly state that this is something that each player need to resolve for themselves.
Which is fine by me.
PERSONALLY i think they are fully sentient, its genocide and i prefer the Maelle ending by a longshot.
But thats just MY interpretation and the ending to MY version of the story.
I have no problems with someone else seeing it completely differently.
As long as people can be civil about it ( HA, fat chance on the internet) it can be a interesting discussion about what is life and existence in the first place.

[Nauct]

The only reason she could revive Lune and Sciel is because she grabbed their Chroma right after they died. There's a reason she couldn't just bring Gustave or Sciels husband back right away.
She doesn't want the canvas to be erased for a reason, if she could just repaint them whenever and wherever she wouldn't give her life to stay.
This painting is special because it contains a piece of Verso's soul, a background on which the souls are painted, it wouldn't be the same in another canvas

[Sunsetter]

Originally posted by Ogami:

You may have missed the part where Maelle explicity collects their specific chroma before fleeing Lumire with Verso.
Thats the only reason they could been brought back as they were with their memories intact.
Thats also ONLY possible in this specific canvas with the original chroma.
Sure, Maelle/Alicia could create her own canvas and make copies of those characters from her memories but it would just be that, copies just like painted Verso is a copy.
They look and sould like the original version but are not and do not behave as them either.

Only way to save the people of the Lumire we know from the game is Maelle taking control of the canvas and the chroma within to repaint everything with the original chroma.

So yes, its still "genocide" because destroying the canvas will 100% destroy all those characters and their personalties forever.

^

[Observer]

That's why we should oversee distribution killing games. Some cant differ between reality and fake. All who think it's genocide should not be allowed to play killing games.

[Meewec]

Originally posted by Observer:

That's why we should oversee distribution killing games. Some cant differ between reality and fake. All who think it's genocide should not be allowed to play killing games.

seems you should be on the "can't play killing games" list since you can't tell the difference between a discussion on reality and the discussion on the reality in a video game.

[palacentes]

it is tho... first off, Maelle's resurrections were only possible because it was with in the painting, where chroma is. Their souls are in the chroma. And she confirms that her father will destroy the painting once she gets kicked out. So once the painting is destroyed.... they can make a new painting and a sciel look alike, a gus look alike... its not them. Maelle would have to fill in their memories and make clones. They would be like Verso, who was filled with memories by the paintress. That whole world would be undone.

I def believe that if you pick either ending, it can be happy.

the problem is that the mom isnt leaving the canvas. She just has to leave it and come back. They can stay for like 5-10 years straight, then just take a break and come back.

If verso's soul wasnt gone, maybe maelle can introduce the mom and dad to the actual soul fragment. Help the mom heal instead of her trying to help the whole world and be some kind of god for it and hope she helps that soul fragment. Like she could actually talk to the son, or a part of it... and a single year of that would be much more powerful that her extremely indirect 67+ years long method. Honestly, it was prob 100s of years. The dad's intervention began 67 years ago, the mom could have been here longer.

Either way, soul or no more soul. If the family could just talk w the mom... they could totally not destroy the whole world over family. I think Maelle being in there and finally having access to meet the mom could have started things.