Plot / Lore questions - clarifications *possible spoilers*

[The_Thing]

1) what's the purpose of the axons? We know they represent the family members.

2) when a painter enters a painting, since the original body stays in the real world, what exactly goes inside the painting? Is it just the consciousness and a new body is created?

3) we know the canvas is verso's, and he painted the gestrals as a child. But who created Lumiere? Was it him as an adult or his mother Alina?

4) what's the reason that aline and renoir look like faceless shades (curator)? I know it can be symbolic and renoir might disguise himself, but why alina is like that too?

5) this one might not have an answer, but since painters can create people from real life (like alina did with her family) is it possible that the residents of lumiere exist too in the real world?

[a passerby]

I'm going to assume you already completed the game. If not, then you probably don't want to read the rest since it's spoiler heavy.

1) They were created by Renoir to attack Aline in the hopes of forcing her out of the canvas

2) Their consciousness. Their painted bodies are made out of Chroma.

3) Clea and Verso created the original world. But seeing as Aline entered the canvas after Clea and Verso abandoned it, I'm guessing most of Lumiere was shaped by Aline.

4) A result of Renoir and Aline using their powers on one another. The broken shades were probably the most they could conjure with what power they have left while keeping each other sealed at the Monolith

5) It could be that some of them have real world counterparts, but we don't really know since we've never seen outside the real manor. The painted folk are ultimately created based on the whims of the painter. That's why we have painted Alicia and Maelle, who carries the consciousness of the real Alicia, but whose body and memories are controlled by Aline.

[Intern Waffle]

The painter in the painting is themselves a painted creation essentially. They require Chroma to persist and are weakened without it. This is why the Paintress counts down- as Aline loses power within the painting she can only sustain so much of it. It's also why Paintress/Curator are decaying, I think.

Lumiere and the entire rest of the Canvas are all Verso's creation. I am going to claim that Aline did NOT create Lumiere as that makes absolutely no sense with the core of her story, which is that she's protecting it from being destroyed but losing strength over time. Why on earth would she enter the canvas and create an entire world to maintain that she knowingly can't maintain? She entered the extant world and is keeping it alive, not adding to it and making it harder to keep alive.

Aline and Renoir look the way they do due to the intense amount of effort it takes to do the things they are doing within the canvas. They are losing themselves, literally, in the painitng. This is why in the Maelle ending we see her face start to fall apart just before the credits. They are weakening outside the painting and it affects them inside too, I guess. Renoir was not disguising himself as the curator. The curator is the REAL renoir, the Renoir you see before destroying the paintress is his in-universe painted-by-aline equivalent/replacement, which is why he works in service of the paintress to protect her while the Renoir AFTER that clearly wants everything destroyed.

It's entirely possible any given Lumiere resident was at one point a real person depicted within the canvas but there's no evidence suggesting any *are* especially as it's been a long time and all of them are descendents.

[iriyap]

Full spoilers.

1) When you get to the third Axon, Maelle says something like "Papa and his parables, he can't paint unless there's a hidden meaning to it". But apart from that, the Axons were made to weaken Aline.

2) Alicia got enveloped by Aline's chroma on the entry so she was reborn as a new person, hence the Maelle = Alicia twist, but other painters are more experienced and did not get "painted over" and and as such were able to preserve their self.

3) Lumiere was Aline's creation, she wanted an idyllic version of Paris to escape her grief.

4) Not 100% sure about this one, but once a painter spends too much time inside a canvas they start looking like that, presumably because they're growing weaker. We can see Maelle's face start "melting" in her ending.

5) No. Just because you can create an art of something, doesn't mean it has to be rooted in reality. Painters are supposed to be very creative people, so it's all their imagination. And even the painted versions of their real family members are quite different, with their own personalities and beliefs.

[The_Thing]

Originally posted by a passerby:

I'm going to assume you already completed the game. If not, then you probably don't want to read the rest since it's spoiler heavy.

1) They were created by Renoir to attack Aline in the hopes of forcing her out of the canvas

2) Their consciousness. Their painted bodies are made out of Chroma.

3) Clea and Verso created the original world. But seeing as Aline entered the canvas after Clea and Verso abandoned it, I'm guessing most of Lumiere was shaped by Aline.

4) A result of Renoir and Aline using their powers on one another. The broken shades were probably the most they could conjure with what power they have left while keeping each other sealed at the Monolith

5) It could be that some of them have real world counterparts, but we don't really know since we've never seen outside the real manor. The painted folk are ultimately created based on the whims of the painter. That's why we have painted Alicia and Maelle, who carries the consciousness of the real Alicia, but whose body and memories are controlled by Aline.

Oh yes, i have finished the game. Thanks for the answers to you all! My thoughts align with your answers, I just wasn't sure 100% since we have to put the pieces together as players

[The_Thing]

Originally posted by Intern Waffle:

The painter in the painting is themselves a painted creation essentially. They require Chroma to persist and are weakened without it. This is why the Paintress counts down- as Aline loses power within the painting she can only sustain so much of it. It's also why Paintress/Curator are decaying, I think.

Lumiere and the entire rest of the Canvas are all Verso's creation. I am going to claim that Aline did NOT create Lumiere as that makes absolutely no sense with the core of her story, which is that she's protecting it from being destroyed but losing strength over time. Why on earth would she enter the canvas and create an entire world to maintain that she knowingly can't maintain? She entered the extant world and is keeping it alive, not adding to it and making it harder to keep alive.

Aline and Renoir look the way they do due to the intense amount of effort it takes to do the things they are doing within the canvas. They are losing themselves, literally, in the painitng. This is why in the Maelle ending we see her face start to fall apart just before the credits. They are weakening outside the painting and it affects them inside too, I guess. Renoir was not disguising himself as the curator. The curator is the REAL renoir, the Renoir you see before destroying the paintress is his in-universe painted-by-aline equivalent/replacement, which is why he works in service of the paintress to protect her while the Renoir AFTER that clearly wants everything destroyed.

It's entirely possible any given Lumiere resident was at one point a real person depicted within the canvas but there's no evidence suggesting any *are* especially as it's been a long time and all of them are descendents.

I meant that the real Renoir was disguising himself as the curator. I used the word "disguised" because it was kind of strange to me that while he had the curator's form he could then take his original form again. I thought it would not be possible in case he was in the faceless form because he is losing his power/resilience

[The_Thing]

Ok it seems that many people don't agree when it comes to who actually created Lumiere.