Martenon Bug?

[Fideo Kojima]

Is Sciel's weapon 'Martenon' bugged? Can't trigger lvl 4 and lvl 10 effects no matter what I do. I enter Twilight but nothing happens...

• LEVEL4 On Twilight Start, deal damage to all enemies based on the amount of charges.
  
• LEVEL10 On Twilight Start, apply 2 Foretell per charge to all enemies.
  
• LEVEL20 Double Sun and Moon charge generation.

Also, upon further testing, Blizzon seems to not add Moon charges when equipping Combo Attk pictos. Is this expected? (Since Verso applies more Burn charges when Combo Attacking)

[Sairento]

Kinda yes and yes. I'm not sure about Martenon because when you equip cheater, or she is solo weapon skills will happen, it's like someone else turn interrupt it. For Blizzon I think yes, they buffed it but it's kinda weird, we don't get moon charge per attack

[Fideo Kojima]

Yeah, you're right. I checked with cheater and her in solo. It does seem like if she gets interrupted it doesn't work. Hope they come up with a patch or idk if that's the intended performance for both weapons..

[paoweeotter]

Sucks. Same here, its not working. How are you guys able to make it work?

[zefyris]

Lots of things for Sciel seem to be bugged right now, which I suspect is one of the major reason Sciel feels like she's underperforming in DPS.

Her moon phase buff is also bugged. It says that it gives AP per foretell applied, but if you equip Charnon that applies foretells per Crit and use free aim, while you will indeed apply foretell, there is no AP given back, so clearly the moon phase buff is also bugged, making Charnon way less usable than it's supposed to be.

[Fideo Kojima]

Publicado originalmente por paoweeotter:

Sucks. Same here, its not working. How are you guys able to make it work?

You either have her solo in the team or use cheater picto and she can proc it in the same turn.

Haven't tried to use intervention skill on herself, that might work too

[Shybun]

Publicado originalmente por Fideo Kojima:

Publicado originalmente por paoweeotter:

Sucks. Same here, its not working. How are you guys able to make it work?

You either have her solo in the team or use cheater picto and she can proc it in the same turn.

Haven't tried to use intervention skill on herself, that might work too

Unfortunately she can't invervention herself, I've tried and was sorely dissapointed lol

[Shybun]

I came here after encountering this bug myself and I can say after some testing that running both in a team or as solo makes no difference. Also using Cheater or not using cheater also makes no difference. I haven't been able to narrow down any plausable reasons yet as i'm still in the middle of testing stuff as of writing this.
I've also tested taking damage and not taking damage to see if there's like any unwritten clause about "if u take dmg it gets interupted" or the likes, but there's nothing.

I'm going to keep removing pictos and slowly see if i can somehow find a cause...

[Shybun]

Publicado originalmente por Shybun:

I came here after encountering this bug myself and I can say after some testing that running both in a team or as solo makes no difference. Also using Cheater or not using cheater also makes no difference. I haven't been able to narrow down any plausable reasons yet as i'm still in the middle of testing stuff as of writing this.
I've also tested taking damage and not taking damage to see if there's like any unwritten clause about "if u take dmg it gets interupted" or the likes, but there's nothing.

I'm going to keep removing pictos and slowly see if i can somehow find a cause...

I ended up just unequipping everything and decided to opt for only Cheater + First Strike for faster testing.

I managed to narrow down a few Picto's that actually bug out the Martenon weapon.
Energy Master, Energizing Turn and the Energizing Start 1-4 pictos has so far shown that the weapon stops functioning when they are equipped. It works perfectly fine when u dont use those.

This sort of makes me wonder if Pictos that has to do with AP generation is the problem.
And it seems to be specific circumstances as well, because Picto's like Energizing Attack doesn't seem to cause any issues for Martenon.

This seems like 100% a bug that needs patching to me, makes no sense why this would be happening to me.

Edit: Tested all AP related pictos. Here's the results. Still using Cheater + First Strike as my base for testing.

Works: Energic Healer, Energizing Break, Energizing Cleanse, Energizing Death, Energizing Gradient, Energizing Heal, Energizing Jump, Energizing Pain, Energizing Parry, Energizing Revive, Energizing Shell, Energizing Shots, Energizing Stun, Energizing Attack I, Energizing Attack II, Dead Energy I, Dead Energy II, Dodger, Draining Cleanse, Effective Support, Healing Tint Energy, Perilous Parry, Powered Attack, Revive Tint Energy, Rewarding Mark, Weakness Gain.

Doesn't Work: Energy Master, Energizing Turn, Energizing Start I, Energizing Start, Energizing Start III, Energizing Start IV.

[Fideo Kojima]

Publicado originalmente por Shybun:

Publicado originalmente por Shybun:

I came here after encountering this bug myself and I can say after some testing that running both in a team or as solo makes no difference. Also using Cheater or not using cheater also makes no difference. I haven't been able to narrow down any plausable reasons yet as i'm still in the middle of testing stuff as of writing this.
I've also tested taking damage and not taking damage to see if there's like any unwritten clause about "if u take dmg it gets interupted" or the likes, but there's nothing.

I'm going to keep removing pictos and slowly see if i can somehow find a cause...

I ended up just unequipping everything and decided to opt for only Cheater + First Strike for faster testing.

I managed to narrow down a few Picto's that actually bug out the Martenon weapon.
Energy Master, Energizing Turn and the Energizing Start 1-4 pictos has so far shown that the weapon stops functioning when they are equipped. It works perfectly fine when u dont use those.

This sort of makes me wonder if Pictos that has to do with AP generation is the problem.
And it seems to be specific circumstances as well, because Picto's like Energizing Attack doesn't seem to cause any issues for Martenon.

This seems like 100% a bug that needs patching to me, makes no sense why this would be happening to me.

Edit: Tested all AP related pictos. Here's the results. Still using Cheater + First Strike as my base for testing.

Works: Energic Healer, Energizing Break, Energizing Cleanse, Energizing Death, Energizing Gradient, Energizing Heal, Energizing Jump, Energizing Pain, Energizing Parry, Energizing Revive, Energizing Shell, Energizing Shots, Energizing Stun, Energizing Attack I, Energizing Attack II, Dead Energy I, Dead Energy II, Dodger, Draining Cleanse, Effective Support, Healing Tint Energy, Perilous Parry, Powered Attack, Revive Tint Energy, Rewarding Mark, Weakness Gain.

Doesn't Work: Energy Master, Energizing Turn, Energizing Start I, Energizing Start, Energizing Start III, Energizing Start IV.

Wow, awesome breakdown tbh.

Hope they patch all these little bugs sometime bc I'd like to go into NG+ and just go nuts with different builds and such. Reeaally fun to tinker with pictos and weapons

[Luminaire7]

Publicado originalmente por Shybun:

Publicado originalmente por Shybun:

I came here after encountering this bug myself and I can say after some testing that running both in a team or as solo makes no difference. Also using Cheater or not using cheater also makes no difference. I haven't been able to narrow down any plausable reasons yet as i'm still in the middle of testing stuff as of writing this.
I've also tested taking damage and not taking damage to see if there's like any unwritten clause about "if u take dmg it gets interupted" or the likes, but there's nothing.

I'm going to keep removing pictos and slowly see if i can somehow find a cause...

I ended up just unequipping everything and decided to opt for only Cheater + First Strike for faster testing.

I managed to narrow down a few Picto's that actually bug out the Martenon weapon.
Energy Master, Energizing Turn and the Energizing Start 1-4 pictos has so far shown that the weapon stops functioning when they are equipped. It works perfectly fine when u dont use those.

This sort of makes me wonder if Pictos that has to do with AP generation is the problem.
And it seems to be specific circumstances as well, because Picto's like Energizing Attack doesn't seem to cause any issues for Martenon.

This seems like 100% a bug that needs patching to me, makes no sense why this would be happening to me.

Edit: Tested all AP related pictos. Here's the results. Still using Cheater + First Strike as my base for testing.

Works: Energic Healer, Energizing Break, Energizing Cleanse, Energizing Death, Energizing Gradient, Energizing Heal, Energizing Jump, Energizing Pain, Energizing Parry, Energizing Revive, Energizing Shell, Energizing Shots, Energizing Stun, Energizing Attack I, Energizing Attack II, Dead Energy I, Dead Energy II, Dodger, Draining Cleanse, Effective Support, Healing Tint Energy, Perilous Parry, Powered Attack, Revive Tint Energy, Rewarding Mark, Weakness Gain.

Doesn't Work: Energy Master, Energizing Turn, Energizing Start I, Energizing Start, Energizing Start III, Energizing Start IV.

When you say equipping pictos, do you mean the 3 equip slots you get, or having them as passives in the Lumina system? This same bug is also happening with her Guleson weapon (the lumber saw).

[Shybun]

Publicado originalmente por Luminaire7:

Publicado originalmente por Shybun:

I ended up just unequipping everything and decided to opt for only Cheater + First Strike for faster testing.

I managed to narrow down a few Picto's that actually bug out the Martenon weapon.
Energy Master, Energizing Turn and the Energizing Start 1-4 pictos has so far shown that the weapon stops functioning when they are equipped. It works perfectly fine when u dont use those.

This sort of makes me wonder if Pictos that has to do with AP generation is the problem.
And it seems to be specific circumstances as well, because Picto's like Energizing Attack doesn't seem to cause any issues for Martenon.

This seems like 100% a bug that needs patching to me, makes no sense why this would be happening to me.

Edit: Tested all AP related pictos. Here's the results. Still using Cheater + First Strike as my base for testing.

Works: Energic Healer, Energizing Break, Energizing Cleanse, Energizing Death, Energizing Gradient, Energizing Heal, Energizing Jump, Energizing Pain, Energizing Parry, Energizing Revive, Energizing Shell, Energizing Shots, Energizing Stun, Energizing Attack I, Energizing Attack II, Dead Energy I, Dead Energy II, Dodger, Draining Cleanse, Effective Support, Healing Tint Energy, Perilous Parry, Powered Attack, Revive Tint Energy, Rewarding Mark, Weakness Gain.

Doesn't Work: Energy Master, Energizing Turn, Energizing Start I, Energizing Start, Energizing Start III, Energizing Start IV.

When you say equipping pictos, do you mean the 3 equip slots you get, or having them as passives in the Lumina system? This same bug is also happening with her Guleson weapon (the lumber saw).

I suppose I should have specified that haha, my bad.
I had her 3 slots empty, only using the luminas system.
Was running Cheater + First Strike on all tests as my basis as well, cause it made testing faster xD
But yea, only using the luminas system.