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Where the game really dropped the ball is that there was no third ending or maybe a fourth one even. A proper Lumière ending is absolutely missing. The game pretends to be about Lumière and its people for 3/4 of its playtime, maybe even more, because Act 3, after the twist, only has one main mission really (and optional content).
I can kind of understand Painted Verso who is a suicidal sociopath, a manipulative liar and overall lousy person, he has ZERO regard for anyone, not even the one he potentially can have sex with in the game. Someone like that (a suicidal, clinically depressed person and sociopath) would do that probably.
I do not REALLY understand the sudden change of character in Maelle who is portrayed as this caring person and then, towards the end, is some kind of dollhouse queen who even repainted Painted Verso against his explicit wishes (and that after she granted Painted Alicia her wish and gommaged her). I DO understand why Maelle would want to stay though, so I chose that ending of course (the other option is mass genocide and highly immoral in my opinion).
But as I said, what is really missing is a proper third ending at least, one about Lune, Sciel, Lumière and the right of the canvas world to exist in peace, without the constant meddling by idiot gods who apparently do not comprehend the repercussions of their childish acts. So Renoir wants to destroy an entire world to save his wife? And sees no other way to get his wife out of the canvas? Really? Painted Verso is just the same, zero regard for others. Even in Maelle's ending she has zero regard for others, and it's all just about her.
Especially Maelle's ending feels entirely out of character (not the choice, but the motivation and psychology of it).
They never ever should have abandoned the Lumière storyline entirely. We need a third ending. At least a third one. And the Maelle twist in which she becomes a quasi tyrant who refuses to face reality felt entirely out of character. The Maelle in her ending and the Maelle in the game do not align at all. So maybe we need one more Maelle ending too. One in which she acts more responsibly.
What right thing? You must blind to not see Alicia being intoxicated by it. Like mother, like daughter
Thought experiment:
the Christian god sends his son to Earth on some mission, he is expected to return to heaven the second he has accomplished that.
Said son likes it so much here that he refuses to leave and he'd rather have a wife here and a family.
God is furious but also truly concerned about his son because staying too long here in our universe kills him for some BS reason no one really cares about.
God then appears on tv screens all across the globe and announces that our universe must unfortunately be destroyed because his son simply won't listen and refuses to return to heaven. But when he destroys our universe his son will be beamed back to heaven automatically. No hard feelings! This is a kindness really! Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
How would YOU feel about that? :-D
Just because the Dessendre family consists of immature, childish idiots does not mean you should punish an entirely innocent world / civilisation for their stupid behaviour.
When I turn off my Gameboy I don't commit a genocide. I free up RAM
Did I get that right, you just said only Jesus has an eternal soul and regular humans in a world created by god do NOT??? Really now? Now I admit, it's been a long time since I read religious texts etc but I swear nowhere does it say we humans have no eternal souls. Would be news to me if Christianity claimed humans have no souls.
About your Gameboy... do you see the little gameboy game characters do things without your input, create art, invent stuff, build cities, love, grieve, laugh, cry? And look at you utterly devastated when they realise you want to turn off the gameboy???
Your analogy is fundamentally flawed. The canvas is NOT a gameboy.
This utter disregard of treating other conscious beings with respect and love is... surprising... especially if someone were a religious person.
In my thought experiment I talk about OUR universe. The world we live in.
What right thing? You must blind to not see Alicia being intoxicated by it. Like mother, like daughter [/quote]
Right thing as in undoing the damage the familiy grief did to creative work of their son, and lives of its very sentient inhabitants, then just let it be as original Verso intended it and just visit from time to time. Mother seemed way more sane when she returned to help us, even seemingly ejected herself without issue
Yes, if I program them to do those things. That happens every day in every persistent world MMO. It's happening right now in a lot of LLM driven AI girlfriends as a service, etc.
What you're looking at is an advanced simulation. But people are more than electrical impulse. If you think you're equivalent to the people in the canvas, I suppose you can choose to lower yourself to that level. But even then, you're choosing to sacrifice Verso instead of yourself for the sake of his canvas. It's ultimately selfish, not selfless, as proven by the Maelle ending you dislike so much.
You dislike that ending because it's true.
That being said, Jesus does love you and is worthy of your devotion. If you need more guidance in that regard this religious person is open to helping you on your journey
Only kids agree with Alicia/Maelle, adults choose Verso side and delete the canvas.
You have to move on, time heals all wounds, you can't live in a dream world, wake up.
It's bitter and tough, but it's the most realistic ending.
I'm not gonna say i didn't cried, i cried like a little girl, but it was the right thing to do.
Aline had to move on, and so did Alicia.
Clea and Renoir were the only sane people in the family
I'm seeing a lot of ppl talking weird things about the ending of the game, does people really agree with Cypher from The Matrix? I mean, it's easier to live a fantasy then to face reality am i right? But still, reality we must face.
Friend, you approach it backwards. They created this story and ending in particular not to make sense for you, as you said. Think about it more akin classic literature, do you remember those question in a literature class? "What do you think the main message of the novel X?". And here you can see how heavy and unsettling Maelle ending is - because this is the message. They could make it happy, But why, for what? It will ruin whole purpose of writing this thing in the first place. Family should grieve together, not to escape into separate hiding holes where they can rot themselves to ruin. And that's all, there is no more to it. Everything else is just a way to deliver the message.
It is so much love that in the end Renoir gives up his own point of view (living in the real world >>> slowly committing suicide in reality by living in a fictitious world) and understands that for Alicia, decades of false happiness in a false world are preferable to decades of irremediable pain and guilt locked in a disfigured and painful body that will never allow her to have a normal and happy life. And so he lets her immerse herself in fantasy until she dies.
Renoir and Ciel are correct in trying to destroy it to force them out before they wither away and die in the real world.
The Maelle ending literally reflects the fact she cant be trusted and it has to be maintained by forcing Verso to paint until Alicia dies from overindulging it.
The whole point of this game is that you shouldn't use escapism as your only grieving method and you should rely on the family that loves you and grieve together rather than act like it never happened and escape into fantasy.
I am 100% convinced the people who have the most issue with this story are just ignoring broad swathes of the story because they became really attached to the Lumierians. And I guess that just really emphasizes why we need stories to tell these types of stories. I haven't seen this much backlash against a "Dont live in a fantasy" story since Evangelion.