talking about that one boss (spoilers probably)

[Hikiko0mori]

i had a question, ill try to be vague enough so i dont spoil anything
major

that one boss in chapter 3 wich holds a journal also dedicated to it
do you just need to actually 1 shot that? because the move set in the first phase is "fine"
the second phase is INSANE.

Not only that constantly getting stat checked with " gathers croma " saps your hp to 1
" gathers shields " removes your shields and add it to itself, and the favorite " removed from the canvas " can no longer res your dead allies.

+ the hyper buff it gets in the second phase was so stressfull it took me 3 hours too look up one of those maelle 1 shot guides ( was actually looking for a boss guide, but the first thing i found 1 shot build propped up doing supposedly 8 billion damage )

the build is allot of lumina's wich i had 200+ on maelle for and one of the extreme damage abilities she gets later.

so my question again was this boss just actually made to " yeah you cant actually legit fight this" so 1 shot was the way to go. Or am i missing something because that second phase is wayyyy too fast.

[2seks]

no, you can kill Simon without exploiting game-breaking bugs. It's getting patched anyway.

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by 2seks:

no, you can kill Simon without exploiting game-breaking bugs. It's getting patched anyway.

What do you mean? You can one shot him with multiple characters using whatever skill, there are no game breaking bugs. Nothing is getting patched outside of one single skill that is too strong too early. I don't care how you kill him, but don't spread misinformation on internet at least.

[Hikiko0mori]

Originally posted by goodbye_bonito:

Originally posted by 2seks:

no, you can kill Simon without exploiting game-breaking bugs. It's getting patched anyway.

What do you mean? You can one shot him with multiple characters using whatever skill, there are no game breaking bugs. Nothing is getting patched outside of one single skill that is too strong too early. I don't care how you kill him, but don't spread misinformation on internet at least.

yeah i saw a 300 burn build as well , and actually allot of things revolving around stacking an insane amount of burn, but thats still kind of effectively dealing with it rather quickly. so other then relying on a insane build there is not really a Normal way of beating him, i also saw that allot people opt just to dodge for that second phase wich i understand and is probably better then trying to parry :) ( i should dodge more)

[VisMortis]

Originally posted by goodbye_bonito:

Originally posted by 2seks:

no, you can kill Simon without exploiting game-breaking bugs. It's getting patched anyway.

What do you mean? You can one shot him with multiple characters using whatever skill, there are no game breaking bugs. Nothing is getting patched outside of one single skill that is too strong too early. I don't care how you kill him, but don't spread misinformation on internet at least.

agree. Stendhal is just the braindead skill everyone started using. And its good for getting nerfed,

However this will not fix problems with (maybe) future dlc content.
I think they should introduce damage caps again, (999.999) or let us adjust the difficulty in more detail.

No point in skipping cool boss mechanics on highest diff.

On Nexus mods are already mods that increase bosses health by x10, thats also an option, but not really an official one.

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by Hikiko0mori:

Originally posted by goodbye_bonito:

What do you mean? You can one shot him with multiple characters using whatever skill, there are no game breaking bugs. Nothing is getting patched outside of one single skill that is too strong too early. I don't care how you kill him, but don't spread misinformation on internet at least.

yeah i saw a 300 burn build as well , and actually allot of things revolving around stacking an insane amount of burn, but thats still kind of effectively dealing with it rather quickly. so other then relying on a insane build there is not really a Normal way of beating him, i also saw that allot people opt just to dodge for that second phase wich i understand and is probably better then trying to parry :) ( i should dodge more)

It's possible to parry, I think I saw videos. It's just hard, kinda like ultimate challenge of this game. You know like it is, there is always that one gamer that does it perfectly

[2seks]

Originally posted by goodbye_bonito:

Originally posted by 2seks:

no, you can kill Simon without exploiting game-breaking bugs. It's getting patched anyway.

What do you mean? You can one shot him with multiple characters using whatever skill, there are no game breaking bugs. Nothing is getting patched outside of one single skill that is too strong too early. I don't care how you kill him, but don't spread misinformation on internet at least.

Smoking on that medalum/stendhal pack. ripbozo

[Hikiko0mori]

Originally posted by goodbye_bonito:

Originally posted by Hikiko0mori:

yeah i saw a 300 burn build as well , and actually allot of things revolving around stacking an insane amount of burn, but thats still kind of effectively dealing with it rather quickly. so other then relying on a insane build there is not really a Normal way of beating him, i also saw that allot people opt just to dodge for that second phase wich i understand and is probably better then trying to parry :) ( i should dodge more)

It's possible to parry, I think I saw videos. It's just hard, kinda like ultimate challenge of this game. You know like it is, there is always that one gamer that does it perfectly

yeah immeadtly after making this thread i was looking up vids, seeing a character x solo video. i was also looking up that OST because that one is Such a banger.

and fair if your really good at a game your really good at a game, i consider myself OK and sometimes just beyond cracked. but the timing of this boss was so all over the place + i was more annoyed and frustrated at his " shield / hp/ remove corpse" abilities i couldnt really lock-in to do his second phase. The first phase i got down pretty quick too wich im quite proud of, but the second phase you just have to dodge allot and i wasnt prepared for that since i was still trying to parry everything :)

[adbe]

this is the direct result of "every move is parry/dodge-able" design. You want a hard boss, you got to put something ridiculous to counter the fact that players are practically invincible when played properly.

that said, just stack speed, cheater/faster than stronger, second chance, buffs/debuffs and you roll over this boss with whatever build you feel like.

[Hikiko0mori]

Originally posted by adbe:

this is the direct result of "every move is parry/dodge-able" design. You want a hard boss, you got to put something ridiculous to counter the fact that players are practically invincible when played properly.

that said, just stack speed, cheater/faster than stronger, second chance, buffs/debuffs and you roll over this boss with whatever build you feel like.

yeah noticed the solo fighter etc stuff is actually insanely powerfull once you get painted power to surpass the damage cap

[Genome]

you can do it. Stack speed and use first strike. I used stendhal but I use no guides and my build wasnt a broken one hit one. If i got a good roulette roll and had mark i got up to about 20 mil max. which is still bonkers. but at the time i didnt even notice sciel had a double damage skill which actually could have meant I could one shot him if i used it.

but as long as you have a char that can output 10-20 mil in one attack when buffed he is doable. Just gotta learn the phase 2 attacks. You want to either be able to finish him before phase 3 or hit him hard enough that he is almost dead and the b team can finish him.

very hard fight though. Was easily biggest challenge in the game.

i think the only broken stuff that ruins this fight is using a one shot build where you skip the whole fight. I still took a bunch of attempts (10-20 total prob) and had to learn the phase 2 stuff. I Kept tweaking my build as I lost until I finally got the one that I killed him with.

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by Genome:

you can do it. Stack speed and use first strike. I used stendhal but I use no guides and my build wasnt a broken one hit one. If i got a good roulette roll and had mark i got up to about 20 mil max. which is still bonkers. but at the time i didnt even notice sciel had a double damage skill which actually could have meant I could one shot him if i used it.

but as long as you have a char that can output 10-20 mil in one attack when buffed he is doable. Just gotta learn the phase 2 attacks. You want to either be able to finish him before phase 3 or hit him hard enough that he is almost dead and the b team can finish him.

very hard fight though. Was easily biggest challenge in the game.

i think the only broken stuff that ruins this fight is using a one shot build where you skip the whole fight. I still took a bunch of attempts (10-20 total prob) and had to learn the phase 2 stuff. I Kept tweaking my build as I lost until I finally got the one that I killed him with.

Now that's debatable if skipping phase 3 is not a "broken" way to beat him. I was able to move him to phase 3 dozen of times, but there it becomes impossible for me, will try more but it feels like I am hitting a wall. Which I am honestly absolutely fine with.

[German Economy]

I am currently on him and its crazy, such weird movements where you cant rely on reflexes at all. Didnt even get a turn when the actual fight started

Is there something i can do against his "put one character on 1hp" move?

[Tanix]

I did him before I had Medalum and went full glass cannon so Stendhal was only doing like 10m. They way I beat him was with gradient charge Luminas, surviving a few rounds in stage 2 to get 3 charges then Gommage with Maelle to finish him off before he does the “remove from canvas” move.

[Tanix]

Originally posted by Tanix:

I did him before I had Medalum and went full glass cannon so Stendhal was only doing like 10m. They way I beat him was with gradient charge Luminas, surviving a few rounds in stage 2 to get 3 charges then Gommage with Maelle to finish him off before he does the “remove from canvas” move.

A few other things to help.
1. Use the lumina that fills break bar on death to stun.
2. Do not wait on reviving dead characters, even if he is stunned, he will still remove them.

[Hikiko0mori]

Originally posted by German Economy:

I am currently on him and its crazy, such weird movements where you cant rely on reflexes at all. Didnt even get a turn when the actual fight started

Is there something i can do against his "put one character on 1hp" move?

the first phase you can parry everything, honestly the first phase isnt his " hardest" the second phase he dials it up to 11 you need to have a good first and second team set up ( because you cant "outlast" it) so having At deaths door is a must here. If you wanna fight him without resorting to a oneshot type build on anyone, thats the best way to do it.

The other " semi-legit" way would be go for a huge amount of burn stacking.
or Monoco's 3rd gradient attack wich is the bell