This game's story really falls apart by Act 3

[Gilford]

Not to spoil anything but can I just be honest when I say that the story basically takes a massive nosedive after the "plot twist" after Act 2? I really couldn't care less about how *subversive* or secretly clever the plot is for what it does, most of it just comes out of left field and is mostly there just to make you question the characters struggles and motivations.

The entire manor subplot is so dumb and ruined the story for me.

[Alt]

Speak for yourself, Story is a masterpiece. A beautiful tragedy about grief and dangers of escapism.

[Aganazzar]

Originally posted by Gilford:

Not to spoil anything but can I just be honest when I say that the story basically takes a massive nosedive after the "plot twist" after Act 2? I really couldn't care less about how *subversive* or secretly clever the plot is for what it does, most of it just comes out of left field and is mostly there just to make you question the characters struggles and motivations.

The entire manor subplot is so dumb and ruined the story for me.

The manor ? a "subplot" ? are sure about that ?

[M4N]

Originally posted by Alt:

Speak for yourself, Story is a masterpiece. A beautiful tragedy about grief and dangers of escapism.

Cope harder. The story is pretentious garbage.

[Gilford]

Originally posted by Aganazzar:

Originally posted by Gilford:

Not to spoil anything but can I just be honest when I say that the story basically takes a massive nosedive after the "plot twist" after Act 2? I really couldn't care less about how *subversive* or secretly clever the plot is for what it does, most of it just comes out of left field and is mostly there just to make you question the characters struggles and motivations.

The entire manor subplot is so dumb and ruined the story for me.

The manor ? a "subplot" ? are sure about that ?

For a grand majority of the game it felt like a subplot and then suddenly it's like "OH BY THE WAY, THE REAL STORY IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS RANDOM HOUSE AND THIS RANDOM FAMILY YOU HAD NO REASON TO KNOW OR CARE ABOUT TILL THE PLOT DEMANDS IT"

Like what the ♥♥♥♥? It felt so forced for the sake of adding another layer to an already interesting story just to basically take a dump all over the stakes and your connection to the plot as a whole.

This is just Danganronpa V3 all over again minus the director mocking the audience for playting his games "HAHA FAKE REALITY XD"

Awful.

[Aganazzar]

Originally posted by Gilford:

Originally posted by Aganazzar:

The manor ? a "subplot" ? are sure about that ?

For a grand majority of the game it felt like a subplot and then suddenly it's like "OH BY THE WAY, THE REAL STORY IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS RANDOM HOUSE AND THIS RANDOM FAMILY YOU HAD NO REASON TO KNOW OR CARE ABOUT TILL THE PLOT DEMANDS IT"

Like what the ♥♥♥♥? It felt so forced for the sake of adding another layer to an already interesting story just to basically take a dump all over the stakes and your connection to the plot as a whole.

This is just Danganronpa V3 all over again minus the director mocking the audience for playting his games "HAHA FAKE REALITY XD"

Awful.

The grand majority of the game ? dude did you finish it ?

[Gilford]

Originally posted by Aganazzar:

Originally posted by Gilford:

For a grand majority of the game it felt like a subplot and then suddenly it's like "OH BY THE WAY, THE REAL STORY IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS RANDOM HOUSE AND THIS RANDOM FAMILY YOU HAD NO REASON TO KNOW OR CARE ABOUT TILL THE PLOT DEMANDS IT"

Like what the ♥♥♥♥? It felt so forced for the sake of adding another layer to an already interesting story just to basically take a dump all over the stakes and your connection to the plot as a whole.

This is just Danganronpa V3 all over again minus the director mocking the audience for playting his games "HAHA FAKE REALITY XD"

Awful.

The grand majority of the game ? dude did you finish it ?

I did and I picked the Maelle ending out of spite.

[Aganazzar]

Originally posted by Gilford:

Originally posted by Aganazzar:

The grand majority of the game ? dude did you finish it ?

I did and I picked the Maelle ending out of spite.

I see. What a sad life you must lead to vent that on a video game forum.

[MJ12]

Originally posted by Gilford:

Originally posted by Aganazzar:

The manor ? a "subplot" ? are sure about that ?

It felt so forced for the sake of adding another layer to an already interesting story just to basically take a dump all over the stakes and your connection to the plot as a whole.

wtf does that even mean? How do you think the story would have ended without the real Dessendre family?
"The heroes eventually defeat the evil colossus, return home and live happily ever after"? Or what?

Also most of the dialogue and the behaviour of Renoir and Verso up to that point wouldnt have made sense at all.
How does that feel "forced" if the Dessendre family is the entire foundation of what is happening in the game? Just because nobody could connect the dots up to the end of Act 2?

[Nauct]

Everyone knew Verso was hiding something, we weren't entirely sure who Maelle was, the Dad was saying Verso was going to erase them, it was very very obvious something was up. It didn't come out of left field at all

[Nauct]

Originally posted by M4N:

Originally posted by Alt:

Speak for yourself, Story is a masterpiece. A beautiful tragedy about grief and dangers of escapism.

Cope harder. The story is pretentious garbage.

What's a story you like?

[Gilford]

Originally posted by Nauct:

Originally posted by M4N:

Cope harder. The story is pretentious garbage.

What's a story you like?

Not him of course but to answer his question.

Persona 3 and 4. Danganronpa 1 and 2. Metaphor Refantazio are among my favorite stories overall.

My issue with this game story is that it gets you invested in this big gripping plot and then just throws a curveball at you where it basically goes "NONE OF THIS MATTERED! ALL THESE CHARACTERS ARE MEANINGLESS! ESCAPISM IS LE BAD! GO BACK TO YOUR STUPID FAMILY" As if I as the player remotely care about the manor or the family when you hardly even see them most of the game.

The endings plus this dumb sudden switch in direction just ruined it for me. I just couldn't enjoy it after that.

[Helldivers™ 2]

Originally posted by Alt:

Speak for yourself, Story is a masterpiece. A beautiful tragedy about grief and dangers of escapism.

Lmao no jesters

[Loi]

Originally posted by Gilford:

My issue with this game story is that it gets you invested in this big gripping plot and then just throws a curveball at you where it basically goes "NONE OF THIS MATTERED! ALL THESE CHARACTERS ARE MEANINGLESS! ESCAPISM IS LE BAD! GO BACK TO YOUR STUPID FAMILY" As if I as the player remotely care about the manor or the family when you hardly even see them most of the game.

The endings plus this dumb sudden switch in direction just ruined it for me. I just couldn't enjoy it after that.

The game is in two halves, one about Expeditioners and one about the Dessendres (I enjoyed both), and I do think that the two could have been linked better and understand the issues people who only liked one may have - I don't think it's a problem, just an issue of taste.

But I never followed the logic of someone who would get so invested in a fictional world and then become so completely detached at a second layer of abstraction - as if the struggle of the expeditioners is suddenly meaningless because they are at the mercy of their makers, as if none of what they went through actually happened. Some truly excellent stories have come out of deliberately "fictional" worlds within worlds.

[eRe4s3r]

OP didn't do the camp quests, hasn't seen the 3rd axxon, hasn't seen Clea, hasn't found Simon, hasn't gotten a single char to 7 relation and complains about not getting the story. Lmao indeed.

[Bearis]

I agree and it pretty much ruined a story i was liking. the problem for me isn't the plot twist itself but that i feel that it adds a new layer of themes to the story. such as the morality and responsibility the painters have to their creations or what normal people should do with the power of a god. and instead of exploring these new themes that deeply (admittedly it does a little) it instead continues with the themes of personal grief loss and tosses in some escapism. after act 2 i just don't care about the families personal grief anymore as they've cross moral lines into genocide and worse. i also really dislike how there's no ending that's truly on the side of the painting and its right as a world. maelle's ending is the closest to this but the game clearly tries to paint this as the bad ending with the stylistic choices in its cutscene and frames it more as escapism from grief = bad, instead of lets save this alternate reality.