Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

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SPOILER!!! I don't get it... SPOLIERSS!!!
...so are these people real or part of this painting? Lune, Sciel, Gustave...does that world exist or when you return in Act III after finding out Maelle is actually Alicia...all of these people are just imaginary??? I am soo lost lmfaoo. I have been following this story since the beginning and I don't even remember seeing Clea or Aline before and now we are just supposed to know who they are. Love this story and I am trying to 100% everything before actually finishing it up so if it explains it at the end of Act III just tell me to shut it and finish the game LMFAO
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['w'] May 4 @ 10:37am 
there are fragmented beings as the curator, you can speak to them as maelle and will sometimes receive a different answer, those are the representatives of her family I believe.
Ratsplat May 4 @ 10:38am 
If you believe that even we are in a simulation, believe that even the 'real' people could even be in a painting or such themselves, then the painting people can easily be just as real too. Everyone that is 'real' are effectively gods to the painting people, like in any other story and game. Gods create worlds countless times. Just because gods created life, doesn't mean they are fake. That's like saying if real life God 100% existed, we ourselves are fake and don't matter.
Null May 4 @ 10:40am 
Both. They are real people that were painted into their own world by the painters, the group of people with powers that includes Maelle/Alicia and her mom Aline (like how IRL we often have different stories of gods creating our own world).
People with the caved-in faces are real (they're the various Dessendre family members who came into the painting) except for one you meet at the very end of A3. Maelle is also real. Everyone else is "fake" for all intents and purposes, quotes provided to account for people waxing philosophically about what real means.
Kn8cK May 4 @ 10:44am 
What I don't get is this: Renoir wants to bring his wife back to the real world - which she does, after having been defeated by the party.
So.... Why doesn't he see the expeditions as his allies? Why does he kill them?
Also: If he's trapped in the monumnet, how come he can kill the expeditioners, if he's trapped? Clearly, he is not - we see him lots of times all over the world, outside the monument.
['w'] May 4 @ 10:46am 
Originally posted by Kn8cK:
What I don't get is this: Renoir wants to bring his wife back to the real world - which she does, after having been defeated by the party.
So.... Why doesn't he see the expeditions as his allies? Why does he kill them?
Also: If he's trapped in the monumnet, how come he can kill the expeditioners, if he's trapped? Clearly, he is not - we see him lots of times all over the world, outside the monument.
there a two renoirs I believe
Null May 4 @ 10:47am 
Originally posted by Kn8cK:
So.... Why doesn't he see the expeditions as his allies? Why does he kill them?
The canvas has a piece of the original Verso's soul in it and Renoir (original version) just wants to destroy the entire thing because otherwise he thinks Aline will continue trying to find it and go in over and over again.
Originally posted by Kn8cK:
What I don't get is this: Renoir wants to bring his wife back to the real world - which she does, after having been defeated by the party.
So.... Why doesn't he see the expeditions as his allies? Why does he kill them?
Also: If he's trapped in the monumnet, how come he can kill the expeditioners, if he's trapped? Clearly, he is not - we see him lots of times all over the world, outside the monument.

The Renoir who kills the expeditioners is fake, and wants the paintress to survive so he can live with his fake family. The real Renoir is trapped under the monolith, and manifests as the curator, which is how the curator kills fake Renoir in the monolith. He's the one that wants to get his wife out.
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Leihjir May 4 @ 10:56am 
If you want a quick resume, it's like Matrix
this story is one of the deepest i have experienced in such a long time. who ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrote this?!?!? its amazing. i think zak snyder would be an amazing writer/director if they gave him the mantle for the movie
Von May 4 @ 11:01am 
So

Aline (the real Aline) is the paintress. She has no Canvas iteration, just the Paintress. She is also Verso, Alicia, and Clea's mother.

The versions of Renoir, Alicia, and Verso that you see throughout Acts 1 and 2 are Aline's paintings of her family. We do not see Aline's painting of Clea in the story, but we do see her briefly in the fake Epilogue (and I think Verso mentions her in passing in a few scenes, but she's far from a primary character in the first 2 acts).

Real Renoir is trapped beneath the Monolith, but using his power as a painter to slowly erase the Canvas through the Gommage (they briefly explain that older paintings are easier to erase, hence the count down). Maelle is Real Alicia, reborn as a character in the Canvas after attempting to help Clea (as we see in the fake Epilogue before Act 3). The Renoir the party interacts with after this point is Real Renoir - Painted Renoir has been erased from the Canvas.

Lune, Sciel, Gustave, Sophie, Emma, Esquie, Francois, Monoco, etc are all characters in the Canvas - they are not and, as far as I can tell, have never been "real" people (though that's a whole philosophical discussion).

Maellicia wants to keep the Canvas as it is, to preserve the piece of Real Verso's soul that exists in the Canvas, as he is dead in real life. She believes that her father will assist her, but Real Renoir still wants to erase the Canvas. Even though Maellicia hid it before being reborn into it, he is worried that Aline will find it again and lose herself in it like before, and so he has decided the only answer is to erase the Canvas, destroying the piece of Real Verso that still exists in some form in the Canvas in the process.

I believe this is the state of the story (roughly) at the start of Act 3.
Zaph May 4 @ 12:22pm 
Depends on what you consider real. They are real in that world, but they were created by the Dessandre family. In that world though, they have lives, thoughts, feelings, and behave as anyone in the "real world" would. It is all a philosophical debate. It's like if you make an AI, and it has actual feelings of joy, sadness, anger, etc. are those real feelings or are they not simply because it is a machine? I would consider it real because who is to really say that a machine can't genuinely experience feelings if it is advanced enough to experience them on their own. If you want to argue that it's because of how it is programmed, human brains are programmed in certain ways too that we just say is the real way because us as a species are self-absorbed and egotistical. I mean there are people who think that dogs and cats don't experience emotions because they aren't as intelligent as a human.

Then you can even get religious with it because then if those aren't real, humans created by a God aren't real as they were created by something with a higher power. Now back to the game, they are technically real and not real at the same time. To some members of the Dessandre family, they aren't real because they exist in a world different from theirs. To other members like Verso and Alicia, they realize that even though they exist in a world created by them, all their feelings, thoughts, emotions, memories, desires, etc. are ones that the individual has all on their own. The Dessandre family doesn't personally create every single person in the world as the people of the world can have children with one another and make decisions on their own. The Dessandre family is in the "Real World" like our current Earth, where people believe in Gods and such, so who is to say that our Earth is the "Real World"? We could all be inside the Matrix for all we know, but to us, this life is 100% real.

So in summary, yes they are real people, but they will only exist in this world created by the Dessandre family, that they will never be able to escape.
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Zaph May 4 @ 12:31pm 
Originally posted by Kn8cK:
What I don't get is this: Renoir wants to bring his wife back to the real world - which she does, after having been defeated by the party.
So.... Why doesn't he see the expeditions as his allies? Why does he kill them?
Also: If he's trapped in the monumnet, how come he can kill the expeditioners, if he's trapped? Clearly, he is not - we see him lots of times all over the world, outside the monument.

The Renoir who kills the Expeditioners on the beach is a fake Renoir that the Paintress made along with a fake Clea, Alicia, and Verso (the one on your team), so she can live with her family. The real Renoir is the Curator who allies with the Expeditioners to stop the Paintress. So the real Renoir IS allying himself with the Expeditioners while the fake one is killing them. The only reason the real Renoir stays after you defeat the Paintress is to erase the canvas so Aline and Alicia will not go back into it because he doesn't want his wife and daughter to be trapped and die for real inside the painting all because they are still grieving over the loss of Verso. Granted, Maelle wants the painting to exist because she views everyone inside as real people and also her family (which she really isn't wrong). She also thinks that she can live in it without being corrupted like her mother was.
Fiesbert May 4 @ 12:33pm 
Originally posted by thegamingplumber:
...so are these people real or part of this painting? Lune, Sciel, Gustave...does that world exist or when you return in Act III after finding out Maelle is actually Alicia...all of these people are just imaginary??? I am soo lost lmfaoo. I have been following this story since the beginning and I don't even remember seeing Clea or Aline before and now we are just supposed to know who they are. Love this story and I am trying to 100% everything before actually finishing it up so if it explains it at the end of Act III just tell me to shut it and finish the game LMFAO

There are layers to reality.

From the perspective of the Painter family, all beings created in a painting are not real. Renoir would not genocide Lumiere otherwise.
From the perspective of the inahbitants of the canvas, they are real.

Reality is a relation between a being and the thing capable ob bringing forth its death. So reality is what can kill you. Hence painters can't be killed in a canvas (next to being kileld by other painters) so the canvas is not real for them.
But Gustave can be kileld in the canvas, so the canvas is real for him
If you subscribe to the simulation argument and substrate independence of consciousness (basically: one day we / anyone in the universe will be able to simulate reality (or someone already has created that tech), once that happens the number of simuilated realities will vastly outnumber the "real" universes and simulated consciousness is just as real as "real" consciousness and the chance that we are already inside a simulation is almost 100%) then the people inside the canvas are definitely 100% alive.

Either way, Lune, Sciel and Gustave are not "imaginary", they actually exist inside the canvas, they have an existence independent of Maelle (or that of any of the other painters).

If you do all the side content before the final mission you should have virtually all of the answers really. Almost everything will be explained.
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