Which ending did you choose? [SPOILERS]

[SHINRA-CORP]

I agreed with Verso's point of view more but I couldn't help but back Maelle I guess I had grown attached to her character more.

That ending with Maelle was kinda ominous the way she stares into the camera as she just goes on with the charade.

[Null]

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Imaginary person a écrit :

I believe that suffering is preferable to non existence but I'm guessing you just feel differently than I do about that.

Yes, I do. Especially since the way out is without suffering.

I'd prefer it if Alicia and Aline could just get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ grip though.

Interestingly, it's a similar question to the one in beginning of the game about whether Lumierans should be bringing children into the world with the gommage happening early in their lives.

[Evilsod]

This family badly needs a therapist.

I can see where Alicia is coming from with her selfish motivations though. She's been horrifically burned, losing an eye, most of her ability to speak, and left her severely scarred. Even if she can get over her guilt over her brother's death, she'll never physically recover.

Time in the canvas seems completely disconnected from the real world. It's somewhere between a power fantasy and choosing how you end your life. She trades what would've likely been a depressing life in the real world for an illusionary one where she can be happy until it kills her.

[RionXD]

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RionXD a écrit :

And let’s not forget, Renoir said he lived over 60 years inside the Monolith. That means Maelle could live an entire lifetime in the Canvas—surrounded by people she loves in a world she chose.

No that's not what it means. Maelle isn't even close to the power of her parents. She will crumble way faster.

From what we know, yes—Maelle (Alicia) will eventually die if she stays in the Canvas, but not right away. Renoir lived over 60 years *in the Canvas* without aging *in the real world*, which shows that time flows differently and the Canvas can sustain someone for decades. Maelle isn’t trying to maintain or create the world—she’s just choosing to live in it. So even if she eventually fades, it’s not because she lacks power, but because she accepted a different kind of life with a meaningful stretch of time.

[A Old Man]

Considering in Maelle's ending she's denying the rest of both painted Verso and soul Verso, while having them watch her slowly die, yes its a very bad ending. Once she does die or if someone burns the real-life mansion again the painted world goes with it either way.

In each endings epilogue we got:
Verso - A life to love
Maelle - A life to paint

I picked Verso's ending as it gives the chance for the whole family, namely the mother and daughter to finally start healing from grief. Meanwhile Maelle's ending would be everyone squabbling back into a cycle of familial conflict.

I would also like to think that in Verso's ending since the boy is no longer painting the simulated world, the painting itself will become a still, regular art piece that could still be preserved as there is no longer a 'soul' for the mother to go chase.

[Bun]

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Bun a écrit :

I chose Maelle. Don't care if it's the lesser ending. Maelle was willing to die for her happiness.

Verso used and lied to everyone up til the very end for 67 years. He even let Gustave die for his own selfish reasons.

It's simple: I like Lune and Maelle, I'm indifferent to Verso.

People can sit here and say the painted world is fake but nah, they were sentient beings with free will. Just because they are painted doesn't mean they weren't real people. And I'm not going to "save" 1 person and sacrifice a whole world for Verso.

Maelle is only doing this for herself. She dooms the world to suffer through all that ♥♥♥♥ again for completely selfish reasons.

Verso's ending is not about the people in the canvas not being real people. It's about ending the vicious cycle.

Who's to say if that will happen again. She controls the chroma now so it's unlikely (for now). We may never know unless they make a sequel.
If the people of Lumiere really didn't want to suffer and rather be dead why did they fight so hard to live?

Regardless I said what I said and I'm not changing my mind about my outlook on it.

Verso is just as selfish. Sure he states that they should end their grief and learn to move forward but he didn't even think that till near the end. This guy lied for 67 years because his goal was to die. Probably got plenty of expeditions killed due to it too. Pretty selfish. Do I hate him for it? No not really.

Meanwhile Maelle doesn't use anyone. If wanting to be happy is selfish sure she can be selfish if she wants.

And I am not an advocate of genocide just to save a family that has clear issues in dealing with grief.

Plus I've spent way more time with Gustave, Lune, and Sciel than the Dessendre family so I could care less about them minus Maelle.

Though I do understand Maelle's choice is not exactly healthy in the grand scheme of things but I can respect her decision if she is willing to die for her choice.
I get your point of view but I have my own pov too. Which is completely fine. Art has different interpretations.

[A Old Man]

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...Verso is just as selfish. Sure he states that they should end their grief and learn to move forward but he didn't even think that till near the end. This guy lied for 67 years because his goal was to die. Probably got plenty of expeditions killed due to it too. Pretty selfish. Do I hate him for it? No not really. ...
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I believe its not only because he wants to die and it is not the primary motivator. At the start its because he (and his painted family) knows the real mom/wife is dying from her prologue stay in the world. Fake Verso cares much of the real family over the fake family and don't want the mother to die.

Hence why the note about fake Renoir chastised him about sacrifice and who's really the one burdened by it.

Hence even near the start of the expeditions he was part of it.

Later on towards act III and from observations of his real sister not only does he not want to live but he's even more burdened with the fact that if they don't die Maelle WILL stay (because she lied to her father) and that his real mom will come back into the painting no matter what.

[MrVader]

A Old Man a écrit :

"
...Verso is just as selfish. Sure he states that they should end their grief and learn to move forward but he didn't even think that till near the end. This guy lied for 67 years because his goal was to die. Probably got plenty of expeditions killed due to it too. Pretty selfish. Do I hate him for it? No not really. ...
"

I believe its not only because he wants to die and it is not the primary motivator. At the start its because he (and his painted family) knows the real mom/wife is dying from her prologue stay in the world. Fake Verso cares much of the real family over the fake family and don't want the mother to die.

Hence why the note about fake Renoir chastised him about sacrifice and who's really the one burdened by it.

Hence even near the start of the expeditions he was part of it.

Later on towards act III and from observations of his real sister not only does he not want to live but he's even more burdened with the fact that if they don't die Maelle WILL stay (because she lied to her father) and that his real mom will come back into the painting no matter what.

totally incorrect. his goal all these years is to get his mother out of the canvas.

he was painted by his sister to help his father and her to bring his mother back into real world. he cares about all the people in this world even though he knows its all fake and madeup by their family.
basically those creepy black and white family is made by his mother. real looking ones are made by his sister and father.
once his objective of saving his mother is completed there is no reason for him to continue. he just want them to move on from the grief of his real verso and leave this world forever. coz all her mother did was bring death and despair in this world coz she couldnt face the loss of her child and wanted to stay in his painting.
in fact he was the most selfless person in this story who wants to sacrifice himself and wants his family to move on from the death of real him.

[A Old Man]

That's what I was trying to say that he isn't selfish, I couldn't properly quote someone who quoted another. I had to do " ".

[MrVader]

A Old Man a écrit :

That's what I was trying to say that he isn't selfish, I couldn't properly quote someone who quoted another. I had to do " ".

ha ha i didnt realise you were quoting someone else. i read 1st sentence and got upset my bad

[Accuracy158]

Verso is the correct ending. It's Maelle's duty to run away and chose life when the time comes. 😏 It not wrong for Verso to make the decision. It's his world and he doesn't want his living sister tramped there until death. ...Though maybe it's all actually Maelle accepting in her mind what Verso would have wanted because the Verso she's arguing with isn't real.

In the good ending we know the cycle is broken and Verso is put to rest as he would have wanted. Yet the characters from Verso work are transported beyond his painting in Maelle's mind/memory (when we see them waving in the real world even after the painting is sealed). We also know Maelle is painter with the ability to create her own world too but she has to create for herself instead of her and her family forever interfering in her dead brother's world.

[WOKEGOD]

Verso ending is also villian ending if you see it in orthodox way. Everything Renoir does was merely trying to help Aline and Alicia to get over their "canvas addiction" that may cost them their life and allow Verso to rest in peace. I wouldn't say everything we do is pointless but at least it helps us to see the moral of the story more clearly.

[K-ON!]

MrVader a écrit :

A Old Man a écrit :

"
...Verso is just as selfish. Sure he states that they should end their grief and learn to move forward but he didn't even think that till near the end. This guy lied for 67 years because his goal was to die. Probably got plenty of expeditions killed due to it too. Pretty selfish. Do I hate him for it? No not really. ...
"

I believe its not only because he wants to die and it is not the primary motivator. At the start its because he (and his painted family) knows the real mom/wife is dying from her prologue stay in the world. Fake Verso cares much of the real family over the fake family and don't want the mother to die.

Hence why the note about fake Renoir chastised him about sacrifice and who's really the one burdened by it.

Hence even near the start of the expeditions he was part of it.

Later on towards act III and from observations of his real sister not only does he not want to live but he's even more burdened with the fact that if they don't die Maelle WILL stay (because she lied to her father) and that his real mom will come back into the painting no matter what.

totally incorrect. his goal all these years is to get his mother out of the canvas.

he was painted by his sister to help his father and her to bring his mother back into real world. he cares about all the people in this world even though he knows its all fake and madeup by their family.
basically those creepy black and white family is made by his mother. real looking ones are made by his sister and father.
once his objective of saving his mother is completed there is no reason for him to continue. he just want them to move on from the grief of his real verso and leave this world forever. coz all her mother did was bring death and despair in this world coz she couldnt face the loss of her child and wanted to stay in his painting.
in fact he was the most selfless person in this story who wants to sacrifice himself and wants his family to move on from the death of real him.

wait did anywhere said that Verso is Clea's creation? I beat the game and got all achievement, it seems like all fake family is Aline aka paintress' creation. Even real Clea during Alicia section said that Aline create a fake family of hers that won't get affected by gommage. The verso we played is Aline's creation. And the black and white reason is not correct because Fake renoir didn't become black and white. Fake Verso and fake Renoir had a crashout because Fake Renoir want to keep his version of family together that's why he is insist on protect Paintress, even start to massacre the Expeditions. Fake verso see through the world and the reason behind it. He don't want to continue this fake charade and want to save Aline by kick her out of Canvas, that's why he is helping us.

And before the end he is hoping that kick Aline and Alicia out would be enough, but at the end it's clear that both of them won't stop doing this as long as this Verso painting is exist. He saw what Aline become in the real world at the end which he don't know before, that's where he made the decision to destroy the painting world

[A Old Man]

Verso is Aline's creation. He's part of the absurd immortal family of the canvas.

[MrVader]

family made by aline is black and white. verso made by her is the black and white kid who we interact "fading boy" that we meet from the start during our adventures.
w/e clea and renour make have color.
cant rem where i found .. prolly a journal or somewhere u know verso was recruited by her sister and father and told about real world outside and his purpose. he was even told to watch over maelle and we see the shadow figure in the start when we go to manor for 1st time .. its verso watching over her. he even says in a cut scene he was in city through out her life looking after her from far.
there are lot of bread crumbs in side content we find lot of early stuff. especially in named journals.
i am going through my 2nd playthrough and still finding new stuff.

[Shin Happens]

MrVader a écrit :

family made by aline is black and white. verso made by her is the black and white kid who we interact "fading boy" that we meet from the start during our adventures..

I do not think this is accurate. The "faded boy" we meet several times is in fact the imprint / echo / sliver of soul of young boy Verso who created the canvas, he is NOT a creation by either Aline nor Clea or anyone else, this is what is left behind in ANY painting the painters create, they have to pour a tiny piece of their soul into it (literally, whereas in our world we mean it figuratively). It is THIS sliver of young Verso's soul that made Aline enter the canvas in the first place, so she could be, in a way, with he dead son, the only thing that is left of him in this world.

You can also meet an echo of Clea left behind by her because she too painted in Verso's canvas (almost all of the Nevrons are her work). It seems everyone from the real world who spends a considerable amount of time and/or paints a lof of things will leave something of them in the canvas, so the magic "works" (i.e. not just the original creator of the canvas leaves behind a small part of their soul, but anyone else who contributed to the canvas).

Adult Verso is Aline's work. This adult Verso getting gommaged / undone would have 0 impact on the canvas world. It is not said or known if the imprint of young boy Verso is truly alive and conscious or is even suffering. But even if he is... does that justify killing an entire world that is alive and with people who laugh, cry, love, grieve etc?

The painters KNOW they need to pour some of their soul into their paintings. And if they know that they should consider the consequences. Killing an entire world for their sake is peak selfishness and actually outright evil. There would always be better ways if the Dessendre family just started thinking for a change instead of being driven entirely by their emotions, their grief.