Is this a plothole or am I missing something [SPOILERS]

[WuvWoo]

ALRIGHT! I'MA TALK ABOUT THE BIG SPOLIERIFIC STUFF SO DON'T READ ON UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE SUPER SPOILED!

So, the Renoir we've been fighting throughout the game is the PAINTED Renoir. He is trying to help the paintress because he knows that the real Renoir is trying to erase the canvas and therefore the world. He also cares about his family, which makes what the painters can do in the universe actually horrific, and makes me excited to see more of this world in the future. The "writers" must be equally as terrifying, but let's forget that for now.

My question is this: Why is he wiping out expeditions instead of just telling them "hey, the paintress is painting numbers to warn you about something this whole other threat is doing"

Also, what's the deal with the nevrons? Why would the paintress create nevrons which attack her own creations. And if they are real Renoir's nevrons, why would they be guarding the path to the paintress instead of attacking her monolith outright? If anything, they must be Real Renoir's creations because there are nevrons working with the Axons which, IIRC, are confirmed to be Real Renoir's creations.

But I'm also pretty sure that the pale nevrons are made by the paintress. So, if there are Paintress nevrons and Real Renoir nevrons running around, shouldn't they be fighting each other? I am very confused.

I still love the game but am I missing something or is this a bit of a plothole?

[QuartzBeam]

The Nevrons are made by Clea and designed to kill people in a way that doesn't make their chroma flow back to Aline. This is meant to aid the real Renoir in overcoming Aline, because otherwise she is the superior painter.

[Sharkinbear]

Because ultimately, the painter is struggling to keep the painting and everything in it alive. She painted it with Verso and she cherishes everything. But the real Renoir is weakening her and the numbers are a warning. Painted Renoir doesn't want the expeditions to know the truth because they might still choose to push out the paintress and get things back to the way they were. Maybe if Renoir and Aline weren't in the painting maybe bad things wouldn't happen anymore.

[QuartzBeam]

Originally posted by Sharkinbear:

Because ultimately, the painter is struggling to keep the painting and everything in it alive. She painted it with Verso and she cherishes everything. But the real Renoir is weakening her and the numbers are a warning. Painted Renoir doesn't want the expeditions to know the truth because they might still choose to push out the paintress and get things back to the way they were. Maybe if Renoir and Aline weren't in the painting maybe bad things wouldn't happen anymore.

I didn't get the impression that canvases (in general) need to be actively kept alive. Hell, the real Verso painted this canvas (with the Gestrals, the Grandir, and Esquie) as a kid and it survived just fine after his death. And Aline had no input in that as far as we know.

What Aline did was go back into the canvas after her son's death and painted Lumiere and the humans in it so she could keep living with her family as they were before the accident. (Minus Alicia, whose painted copy was disfigured still cause Aline resented her role in the real Verso's death.)

Aline ends up spending too much time in the canvas with her fake family, so Renoir gets worried and goes in himself to get her out. The ensuing conflict caused the Fracture, and since then, Renoir (as the Curator) has been trying to erase all the humans Aline painted so that she'll have no choice but to exit the painting.

Destroying the canvas and all the creatures that the real Verso had painted was never part of Renoir's original intention. (And he certainly doesn't want to do it, cause it's all that's left of his son.) But by the end of the story, he understands that if the canvas continues to exist, his family will never be able to move on.

[['w']]

are the white nevrons a creation by verso?

[Sharkinbear]

What i take from if wasn't that it needs to be kept alive but the fracture happened due to Aline being in the canvas for too long and renoir trying to take her put of it. The real one is hoping that as she weakens and he destroys the painting he will be able to remove his wife from a place that she won't leave due to her grief. I'm sure he would love to keep something of his son's but at the same time, if there isn't anything for his wife to remember their son in the painting anymore then she has no reason to stay and she can move on.

[parent child bowl]

Originally posted by 'w':

are the white nevrons a creation by verso?

No, they are Clea's "failures".