Not bothering with Simon

[Time]

He's already broken and I don't use sciel or monoco nor do I like being forced. The fact that he erases your main party no matter what and youre forced to use the B team ruins the fight and spoils endgame for me.

[Time]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tsi Aileron:

It's definitely possible to beat him without losing a party member and without cheesing in one shot. Just play around with your builds. The game gives you everything you need.

His attacks are ptsd fuel, i don't feel bad at all for cheesing him, on ng+ on expert and im hoping it gets harder. I'm really strong tho and pictos are getting upgraded left and right

[hagare]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Time:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von NijimaXL:

I only use 1 member on the main party on that fight.

That would mean perfect parrying that light speed bs with one person and more stress. I dont even want his sword It's the fact hes the last thing I have left before going after renoir, and gimmick fights annoy me

ahahahaha no.
Maelle goes BRRRRR

[Zero]

Fought him the legit way. No OP builds just pure skill in learning to dodge the attacks.
That includes that dodging the whole light speed attack. P1 took 3 mins and P2 took 7 mins.

[Guidsmaster]

I did the same with a pretty weak build, p2 alone took me 26 minutes lol. Was able to make my characters tanky enough that even on expert they could take a couple of hits and heal themselves back up to full just by attacking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngCoJZ2n7T8

[Zero]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Guidsmaster:

I did the same with a pretty weak build, p2 alone took me 26 minutes lol. Was able to make my characters tanky enough that even on expert they could take a couple of hits and heal themselves back up to full just by attacking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngCoJZ2n7T8

You mad lad. You even had the balls to parry. Not bad.

Here's mine but I'm more into dodging: https://youtu.be/qanOYqNNtYM

[Guidsmaster]

very nice! that was ballsy of you to stay at 1 hp lol. how are your autoattacks and free aim shots with verso so strong? Im pretty sure i was missing augmented attack.. guessing you were running that, versatile, maybe glass cannon and confident fighter?

Honestly I wasn't really aiming for the clear just yet, and so my build was still largely based on being a burn bot for when verso was with lune and maelle, while sciel and monoco were both pretty useless lol

[Zero]

That's right basically all the low HP Luminas. SOS Power, SOS Rush, At Death's Door. Then all the free aim and basic attack mods. Then lastly our favorite Roulette.
Breaking Death is also a great if you want to cheese "dying".

Edit: Lets add Immaculate as well since you're not supposed to get hit anyways.

[Siegnis]

I mean. He is the secret superboss of the game. He is kind of supposed to be a bs fight. And he still felt less BS than the superbosses in persona and FF

[Rj]

Phase 1 is easy, p2 tho is another matter, you need to parry almost twice in a row all those fast and umpredictable attacks

[Ringlet]

Simon was the only boss I didn't bother learning his attacks. I'm too old to memorize all of them.

I had fun time with Renoir and Aline, though.

[Secanho]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tsi Aileron:

It's definitely possible to beat him without losing a party member and without cheesing in one shot. Just play around with your builds. The game gives you everything you need.

Did you do this?

[Wyvernclaw Jack]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von NijimaXL:

I only use 1 member on the main party on that fight.

You found some cheese online didn't you.

Also you clearly didn't do the fight legit since he'll vanish the whole party halfway. Forcing you to fight with reserve.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zero:

Fought him the legit way. No OP builds just pure skill in learning to dodge the attacks.
That includes that dodging the whole light speed attack. P1 took 3 mins and P2 took 7 mins.

That's incorrect isn't it?
Your attacks in the video do basically nothing except one move and the 3 mill burns, so yes, you found some op cheese way to minmax burn, which helped you cheese past his super phase by nuking him.

I guess the cheese is to push Verso crit to 100% so he always applies burn with Confuso, then marking shots and burning shots so it adds more burn.

It's nice but let's be honest, the burn carried you because it's simply poorly balanced.

[Liittlefoott]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zero:

Fought him the legit way. No OP builds just pure skill in learning to dodge the attacks.
That includes that dodging the whole light speed attack. P1 took 3 mins and P2 took 7 mins.

Cool you have no life, ima one shot him cause he's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol

[Zalied]

its crazy the "you found a cheese online" im not saying there aren't 100 super op builds online but people do just actual just enjoy builds and come up with cool strats. having 100% crit isnt cheese its something many people try to do. YES teh fight is unbalanced idk if you played the game at no point is this game is hte game "balanced" your always way ahead or way behind based randomly on how much exploration it expected you to do. builds vary so wildly that changing 1 move can swap your dps by thousands what feels randomly when your still learning. so yes theirs some crazy burn builds theirs crazy 1 shot builds and so on. BUT in the end you can dodge his attacks (insane to parry but crazy people can i guess i couldnt) its not that crazy to have decently high damage builds.

im definitely not arguing that its a "fun" or "fair" fight its a secret boss made to test your limits its ass. every games secret boss is usually ass. but its not unreasonable for a non cheese build to beat him before the turn counter where he wipes the team with pretty crap builds on most bosses people were skipping scripted turn count attacks by going fast that other players were hitting. simon has 50some million hp thats a lot but its actually not that ridiculous at max level. yes one shot builds will dominate YES the fight sucks but all im really hearing in this is skill issue this skill issue that. his light beams are dodgeable its just hard if you go faster or tank better he doesnt wipe your party on his turn because you either didnt die or he didnt go 2x in a row. also by going faster you get more turns before he forces the reserves. it just feels like your base build is bad. you dont need to google a 1 shot build to fix your party just....get gud? i mean this kindly because its a hard crappy fight thats not fun to die to. but its not just cheese thats winning some of what you call "cheese" is just intended game mechanics the games just not balanced never has been iv watched like 10 full play through and the difficulty differences were wildly varied because people had just different ideas and builds

[Kamiyo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeaqD7MMjNQ

NG+ without a one shot build, well he had 93 milions hp, it was a pain, in that try I wasn't even expecting the forced team change D: . My run is quite messy but I did it like at my third try.

I don't complain about people who use a one shot builds, everyone play as they want and it is totally fine, until you are having fun yourself it's fine, it's a single player game.